[F3A-Discussion] CIAM related news for F3

[Derek Koopowitz]

Thanks Earl.  I definitely can see the benefit of implementing 1/2 points since it will further define/refine/differentiate scoring for maneuvers that warrant a 1/2 point score as you suggested.




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From: Earl Haury <ejhaury at comcast.net>
To: f3a-discussion at lists.f3a.us
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:31:56 AM
Subject: Re: [F3A-Discussion] CIAM related news for F3


Derek
 
F3A would benefit by half point scoring. Here's a comment I sent to Bob Skinner after the last cycle:
 
"5.1.8      Marking: Whole point increments were adopted before the 1 point / 15-degree rule was implemented and which now presents a conflict. I advocate the use of ½ point increments for accuracy and fairness. Example: Two fliers execute a K-1 maneuver, A is flawless and B displays an error of approximately 7 degrees. It is unfair to A for B to be scored 10 and likewise unfair for B to be scored 9, as there is no full point error. "
 
 The conflict with the 1/15 metric is obvious and forces a judge to decide which way to round a score when only a small error is present. Unfortunately, in this situation a well known flyer may be scored 10 and a lesser known one a 9 when in both cases a 9.5 was the correct score. 
 
I understand this proposal was put forward late by someone (Swiss?) last cycle and withdrawn. There is also a good deal of history with bruised feelings that occurred during the institution of the whole point rule. It's unlikely we (US) would be successful with a 1/2 point scoring proposal, but I suggest that we should support one if it is tendered by others.
 
Earl
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Derek Koopowitz 
>To: f3a-discussion at lists.f3a.us 
>Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:07 AM
>Subject: [F3A-Discussion] CIAM related news for F3
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>Everyone,
>Welcome to the list–if you know of any F3A pilots in the USA that are not members of this list then please pass this information on to them so that they join in on the discussion.
>There areseveralitems that I want to share andto hopefully spur a discussion…
>1.     If you would like to see a rule change made lets discuss it here so that we’re all on the same page as to why you’d like to make the rule change and to hopefully get agreement from everyone as to whether it would be a good idea to submit a rules change proposal.
>2.     Rules change proposals must be submitted to the CIAMbeforeNovember15th, 2010 (that’s right–next year)–any rules change proposal submitted will be voted on at the March CIAM meeting in 2011and will become effective in 2012.
>3.     The P13/F13 and P15/F15 schedules need to be designed and submitted.  AnyNAC (country) can do this but the schedules must be totally vetted and tested with all bugs worked out prior to submission–we also must include full maneuver descriptions with all possible deductions with thesubmissions.  Deadline for this is againNovember15th, 2010.
>Rules change proposalsare not just for F3A–the F3 sub-committee is also responsible for F3M and F3P.  For those of you not familiar with F3M–it is for large aerobatic models not exceeding 20kg in weight (ala TOC/IMAC models).  F3P is indoor aerobaticswith models not to exceed 300g in weight.  F3M was just voted into a regular status starting in 2009with the potential to host a world championship event for F3M starting in 2011.  The same can be said about F3P.  We’ve seen huge successes over here with F3P so far and the number of contests is growing every year.  Events such as the e-TOC definitely help with interest although it is my understanding that they do not use the F3P schedules.
>Since IMAC has no interest in pursuing F3M,it is really up to us to do this and to perhaps influence the rules and schedules somewhat–I can definitely see the benefits of pushing F3M and F3P (perhaps the NSRCA can adopt both categories?)within the USA and to perhaps one day host a World Championships for both F3M and F3P.
>The sooner we talk about these potential rules changes, the better.  I can then“socialize”these with my peers on the F3 sub-committee to see what their take is…
>-Derek
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