[F3A-Discussion] CIAM related news for F3

[John Fuqua]

Where is the AMA proposal.  Has it been submitted yet.

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[mailto:f3a-discussion-bounces at lists.f3a.us] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
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I for one would love to see the 1st Radius rule changed to what we have
proposed for AMA.  The proposal (submitted by Lance) uses a radius "change"
as a downgrade.  I can go into a lot more detail if there is any interest or
we think we can get some traction for it.

 

The basic premise is that the current rule is very hard to judge, and
disproportionately weights the 1st radius over the rest.    Downgrading any
CHANGE in radius allows you to simply compare the current radius to the
previous one which is much simpler to judge, and given any number of
scenarios produces a similar, if not more accurate score.  

 

Anyone?  

 

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[mailto:f3a-discussion-bounces at lists.f3a.us] On Behalf Of Derek Koopowitz
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:08 AM
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Subject: [F3A-Discussion] CIAM related news for F3

 

Everyone,

Welcome to the list - if you know of any F3A pilots in the USA that are not
members of this list then please pass this information on to them so that
they join in on the discussion.

There are several items that I want to share and to hopefully spur a
discussion.

1.      If you would like to see a rule change made lets discuss it here so
that we're all on the same page as to why you'd like to make the rule change
and to hopefully get agreement from everyone as to whether it would be a
good idea to submit a rules change proposal.

2.      Rules change proposals must be submitted to the CIAM before November
15th, 2010 (that's right - next year) - any rules change proposal submitted
will be voted on at the March CIAM meeting in 2011 and will become effective
in 2012.

3.      The P13/F13 and P15/F15 schedules need to be designed and submitted.
Any NAC (country) can do this but the schedules must be totally vetted and
tested with all bugs worked out prior to submission - we also must include
full maneuver descriptions with all possible deductions with the
submissions.  Deadline for this is again November 15th, 2010.

Rules change proposals are not just for F3A - the F3 sub-committee is also
responsible for F3M and F3P.  For those of you not familiar with F3M - it is
for large aerobatic models not exceeding 20kg in weight (ala TOC/IMAC
models).  F3P is indoor aerobatics with models not to exceed 300g in weight.
F3M was just voted into a regular status starting in 2009 with the potential
to host a world championship event for F3M starting in 2011.  The same can
be said about F3P.  We've seen huge successes over here with F3P so far and
the number of contests is growing every year.  Events such as the e-TOC
definitely help with interest although it is my understanding that they do
not use the F3P schedules.

Since IMAC has no interest in pursuing F3M, it is really up to us to do this
and to perhaps influence the rules and schedules somewhat - I can definitely
see the benefits of pushing F3M and F3P (perhaps the NSRCA can adopt both
categories?) within the USA and to perhaps one day host a World
Championships for both F3M and F3P.

The sooner we talk about these potential rules changes, the better.  I can
then "socialize" these with my peers on the F3 sub-committee to see what
their take is.

-Derek

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