[F3A-Discussion] snaps

[Dr Mike]

Those are the rules from the F3A rulebook verbatim.  As judges I believe we can break some of this down and make reasonable decisions.  Ist you can decide if it is rapid, second you can decide if it breaks.  If you think it is close to a snap and not downgradeable, then no downgrade for that and you go to centering, wing offset, heading etc.  we have to do our best to follow the rules and not dismiss them.  I printed this to get rid of hearsay about what the rules say.  You can look at the rules to verify this.  It is on page 28, section 5B.7.5.        the difficulty of the finals is 70K  snap maneuvers is 36 of the 70.  Judging the snaps as best we can will be critical to choosing the proper winners. 

Thanks

Mike I will be away from this computer until tomorrow.

 

 

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Mike, I'm replying from a blackberry without the benefit of the rulebook in front of me. I thought these were called "Flick Rolls" now? I don't think any of us are equipped in the context of judging a 0.5 second manuever to determine if is "stalled" or "unstalled." I think Jerry Budd posted on the nsrca list the last dissertation on snaps, which from memory, pretty much proved the planes are not stalled.

Given you posted this, what do you want to see happen? Thx Jim W.

 

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Subject: [F3A-Discussion] snaps 

Given the abundance of snap maneuvers(7 maneuvers, 9 snaps) in the F-11 pattern, I feel compelled to give the exact description via the F3A rulebook:

 

A snap-roll is a rapid autorotative roll where the model aircraft is in a stalled attitude, with a continuous high angle of attack.

 

Snap rolls have the same judging criteria as axial rolls as far as start and stop of the rotation, and constant flight path through the manoeuvre is concerned.

 

At the start of a snap-roll, the fuselage attitude must show a definite break and separation from the flight path, before the rotation is started, since the model aircraft is supposed to be I a stalled condition throughout the maneuver.  If the stall/break does not occur and the model aircraft barrel-rolls around, the manoeuvre must be severely downgraded(more than 5 points).  Similarly, axial rolls disguised as snap-rolls must be severely downgraded(more than 5 points)

 

Snap-rolls can be flown both positive and negative, and the same criteria apply.  The attitude(positive or negative) is at the competitors discretion.  If the model aircraft returns to an unstalled condition during the snap-roll, the manoeuvre is severely downgraded using the 1 point/15 degree rule. 

 

 

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