[F3A-Discussion] Results of rules proposals for F3A, F3P, F3M and F3S

[DaveL322]

100% agree on F3P / AFM. 
Be interested to hear your idea(s) on battery usage.  I suspect battery technology will remedy the percieved/potential/actual issues soon enough anyway.  Rules with long term impact on the event need to consider where we are going and will be and not the status quo.  Almost by definition, in a competitive environment, the planes on the field today are not the state of art. 
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note5.
-------- Original message --------From: Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com> Date: 4/29/17  10:41 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: DaveL322 <DaveL322 at comcast.net>, Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com>, f3a-discussion at lists.f3a.us Cc: joncarter60 <joncarter60 at comcast.net>, vellum2 at bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [F3A-Discussion] Results of rules proposals for F3A, F3P, F3M and F3S 
I think there are other ways to “skin this cat” with regard to battery usage… Definitely a positive to separate F3P-AFM into its own class but we need to ensure that it stays closely coupled to F3P itself so that the championships happen at the same time/location.  It will also allow us to evolve the AFM rules more to make it more objective versus subjective. From: Dave Lockhart <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
Date: Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 7:34 AM
To: Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com>, F3A Discussion <f3a-discussion at lists.f3a.us>, Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>
Cc: joncarter60 <joncarter60 at comcast.net>, <vellum2 at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [F3A-Discussion] Results of rules proposals for F3A, F3P, F3M and F3S Potential health issues aside, nice to see FAI for the first time in its history not obliviously rush to escalate the horsepower war.  And consideration for shipping, logistics, and expense?  Wow.... Another rarity. A small but vocal minority was pushing to include AFM as a part of the F3P WC, and even add a "smack" element to the flying.  When that topic was brought up at the post 2017 WC meeting, it was pretty soundly thrashed by a group of pilots from a wide geographic range. A couple very positive outcomes IMHO.  Regards, Dave Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note5. -------- Original message --------From: Jon Lowe via F3A-Discussion <f3a-discussion at lists.f3a.us> Date: 4/29/17 9:52 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com> Cc: joncarter60 <joncarter60 at comcast.net>, vellum2 at bellsouth.net, f3a-discussion at lists.f3a.us Subject: Re: [F3A-Discussion] Results of rules proposals for F3A, F3P, F3M and F3S  Hmm. So is FAI going to change the rules for F3C (helicopters) which is currently 51volts/12s, and has been for several years? Sounds like someone doesn't know what they are talking about. I'm personally ambivalent about 12s, but it sounds like the decision was not based on facts and consistency with other FAI classes. We are considering the same rule for AMA, so I was hoping for some fact based decisions from FAI. Apparently we didn't get it.Jon On Apr 29, 2017 7:56 AM, Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com> wrote:They failed to pass the subcommittee and would not have passed a vote by the delegates.  They were then withdrawn. With regard to 12s – the EU supposedly has rules prohibiting batteries at 50+v for safety reasons.  Also, the ability to transport 12s batteries on commercial airlines is pretty close to being impossible now. From: Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com>
Date: Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 5:52 AM
To: Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>, F3A Discussion <f3a-discussion at lists.f3a.us>
Cc: joncarter60 <joncarter60 at comcast.net>, <vellum2 at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [F3A-Discussion] Results of rules proposals for F3A, F3P, F3M and F3S Why were the various US proposals withdrawn, and, in particular, the 12s proposal? What was the decision process to withdraw them?Jon On Apr 29, 2017 7:17 AM, Derek Koopowitz via F3A-Discussion <f3a-discussion at lists.f3a.us> wrote:Hey everyone, The majority of the rules proposals that the US submitted were accepted by CIAM and will be effective 1/1/2018 – one proposal will be effective on 6/1/2017.  See below for the details. Proposal to increase battery to 12s – withdrawn (submitted by the USA)Proposal to modify what sound meters can be used for sound tests – passed  (submitted by UK)Proposal to modify wording for auto-pilot prohibited – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)Proposal to modify the definition of a team – withdrawn (submitted by the USA)Proposal to allow ½ points (no rounding up or down) – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee) – this aligns now with AMA precision aerobatic rulesProposal to modify/clarify rounds to count in the event of adverse weather – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)Proposal to modify wording for junior ranking – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)Proposal to approve scoring systems – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)Proposal to amend the way normalized scores are calculated – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)Proposal to modify adverse weather conditions statement – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)Proposal to lower the number of judges from 20 to 16 – withdrawn (submitted by the USA)Proposal to remove FM frequency from the rules – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)Proposal for new 2019-2020 A schedules – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)Proposal for new 2020-2021 P schedules – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)Proposal for new 2020-2021 F schedules – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)Proposal to modify the wording of heading to track – passed (submitted by the USA) – this aligns now with AMA precision aerobatic rulesProposal to modify the weighting of the criteria – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)Proposal to allow ½ points (no rounding up or down) – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee) – this aligns now with AMA precision aerobatic rulesProposal to round up scores from ½ points – withdrawn (submitted by France)Proposal to modify how to judge radii – passed (submitted by the USA) – this aligns now with the AMA precision aerobatic rulesProposal for a rule clarification about rolls – passed (submitted by the USA) – effective 6/1/2017Proposal for stall turn clarification – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)Proposal to modify the judging examples – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)Proposal to modify scoring rounds for World Cup events – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)Proposal to modify points allocations for World Cup events – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)Proposal to move F3P-AFM (aeromusical) to a separate class – passed (submitted by Poland)Proposal to remove FM frequency for F3P – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)Proposal for 2018-2019 F3P schedules – passed (submitted by the Bureau)Proposal for F3M to adopt IMAC schedules – passed (submitted by the Bureau)Proposal for F3S to continue to use existing schedules for 2018-2019 – passed (submitted by the F3 Aero Sub-Committee)  If you’d like more details on these please let me know.  One other proposal that the US submitted which was to allow the Junior world champion to defend their title (if still a junior) also passed. Best,-Derek  
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