F3A Happy Landings, was Earl's excellent observations.

[jivey61 at bellsouth.net]

 OK I'm better now.

Jim Ivey
> 
> From: Rcmaster199 at aol.com
> Date: 2004/07/31 Sat PM 06:31:48 EDT
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: F3A Happy Landings, was Earl's excellent observations.
> 
> Jimmy, box entry/exit calls are true enough in AMA flying but not required in 
> F3A. In fact the way the present Landing description is written, the pilot 
> should not exit the aerobatic zone for any maneuver including the "180 degree 
> turn" to downwind leg. If he does, a downgrade is assessed commensurate to the 
> degree of the infraction. But for Landing, any downgrade is automatically 10 
> points.
> 
> The only time exiting the box is implied is when the turn to final approach 
> is made: "when approximately over the downwind marker, the turn to final is 
> commenced......". It doesn't actually state that box exit is allowed. It is a 
> very poorly written description of a relatively simple maneuver, and that is my 
> point essentially. Needs a re-write and approval. BTW, there was one pilot who 
> actually made the turn to Final approach inside the box and stradled the box's 
> right edge until touchdown. So that's possible also.
> 
> Honestly, I feel we have probably spent too much time talking a KF 1 
> maneuver. 
> Matt
> I am confused. When you finish the sequences you call out of box, which to me 
> means you go out of the aerobatic zone  being 60-60 either side. Now explain 
> how I stay in the box to make this landing turn without going out of the 
> aerobatic zone.If you turn away from the zone edge then you have to re-enter the 
> box because you were out of box.I understand the turn should be away(out) from 
> the box edge. All this is confusion to me..DUH.
> 
> Jim Ivey
> > 
> > From: Rcmaster199 at aol.com
> > Date: 2004/07/31 Sat AM 01:29:13 EDT
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Subject: Re: Earl's excellent observations
> > 
> > I saw three such landing examples at the F3A Finals, when the pilots turned 
> > into the runway (rather than away from it) to go downwind. Two exited the 
> > aerobatic zone to enter the downwind leg, which BTW required re-entry into 
> the 
> > zone. I assumed that the term "Aerobatic Zone" was defined as the show 
> stage 
> > between the +/- 60 degree lines. I tend to look at the rule this way: once 
> the F3A 
> > pilot committed to enter the box, he should not exit it until his turn to 
> > final. 
> > 
> > Interestingly, the third pilot who made a turn toward the runway to enter 
> his 
> > downwind leg,  did not exit the zone. The turn direction is at pilot's 
> > discretion. Pilot is allowed to make the turn to downwind leg in either 
> direction; 
> > it's just easier to do it away. BUT, turning away he should not make it so 
> wide 
> > that he violates the distance out rule. 
> > 
> > These two landing sequences also had the issue of the downwind turn being 
> > greater than 180 degrees. The verbiage of the rule is somewhat unfortunate 
> > because 180 degrees is a specified value. I believe the writer of the rule 
> intended 
> > for the turn to be a simple directional reversal in the horizontal plane, 
> but 
> > it isn't up to me to make that intrepretation. However, as a judgement 
> call, I 
> > allowed it
> > 
> > Note that the verbiage in regard to the upwind turn to go to final 
> approach, 
> > is less clear and I allowed the guys to exit the box to turn to final 
> without 
> > assessing a downgrade. Also note that any downgrade observed in the landing 
> > sequence must be a 10 point downgrade (Don uses that terminology and I like 
> it). 
> > 
> > I was told that I may have nitpicked a bit here, but, in my opinion, there 
> is 
> > no room for "grey" in the landing (and take-off) sequence. It's either 
> black 
> > or white and not both
> > 
> > Matt K
> > Zero
> 
> 

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