CD's

bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net
Thu Oct 28 15:07:17 AKDT 2004


 As far as Sportsman judging...It made it really hard on me!  Not the
judging but what it did for my flying! 

  I got a lot different look at my own flying by judging others. I began
to see things I did right and a ton more that I did not have right. That
was a huge blessing to begin to look at my performance a lot more
objectively. I highly recommend it! Sportsman will benefit in ways they
don't realize until they have done it. Start them as soon as possible

My next few flights after judging were a bit more difficult as I could
see my screw ups a lot better....but I could now begin to work on them
now that I could see a little of what my coach had been trying to tell
me. Thanks again Mike!

Regards
Bill Southwell
AMA 3657


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Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:45 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: CD's 

What you suggest is not new, the "how to do it" part
is the problem. Most local contests are judged by 2
people. Trying to compare them to see which is
"better" is impossible because there is nothing to
compare them to. The NSRCA does have a judge
performance system in place, but it can only be used
where there is a large enough judging panel to come up
with an average to use as a reference to which the
individuals can be compared. The NATS Finals and the
Team Trials are about the only opportunity to rate
judge performance, and then only a relatively small
number of people get the opportunity judge at these
events.

The NSRCA does have a good judge training program in
place. Every district should offer one or more
certification events next year, do our best to attend
one.

--- "Jeff H. Snider" <jeff at snider.com> wrote:

> Coming from outside, I'm amazed we don't have a
> process for ranking
> judges in this sport.  It may be that a Sportsman
> has keen eyes and
> a good understanding of the rules, and can capably
> judge Masters,
> or even FAI, even though he doesn't yet have the
> skill to compete
> in Intermediate.  It may also be that a Masters
> pilot lacks the
> proper temperment or attention span and can't
> consistently judge
> an entire round of any class.
> 
> Unfortunately we don't have any idea how accurate or
> consistent any
> one of us is.  I wonder if this is being or ever has
> been addressed.
> 
> Lacking that information, it seems like the only
> thing we can do
> is to assume a pilot's class also gives a fair
> representation of
> his judging ability.  In situations where you have
> too few pilots
> in neighboring classes you have to reach further
> afield.  It seems
> obvious you can rely on some Sportsmen, but not all
> of them, to
> judge Intermediate pretty well.  But make sure you
> don't have two
> untested judges working the same round.
> 
> In the end, the CD's judgement is all you have to
> work with.  If
> he looked at the sportsment present and knew none of
> them were ready
> to judge, perhaps the decision was for the better.
> 
> 	-Jeff
> 
> Mark Grabowski writes:
> > Well, I'm a complete pattern nobody BUT I know
> that as a novice or even
> > sportsman flyer I would feel very unqualified to
> fairly and adequately judge
> > an upper-level flyer. I'd probably want to scribe,
> listen and learn from the
> > "advanced" judges but certainly not want my
> unqualfied .02 cents worth of
> > scoring counted....FWIW
> > Mark Grabowski
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nat Penton [mailto:natpenton at centurytel.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 4:08 PM
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Subject: CD's
> > 
> > 
> > The Sulphur , La. contest was just completed with
> six rounds flown. There
> > were 23 fliers with 8 sportsman and 7
> intermediate.
> >  
> > The judge assignments were approached with the
> following (mis) conceptions:
> >         Sportsman            no judging
> >         Intermediate          Sports and Adv only
> >  
> This placed quite a burden on the upper class
> judges.
> >  
> > Would appreciate comments regarding criteria. TIA
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Well, 
> > I'm a complete pattern nobody BUT I know that as a
> novice or even sportsman 
> > flyer I would feel very unqualified to fairly and
> adequately judge an 
> > upper-level flyer. I'd probably want to scribe,
> listen and learn from the 
> > "advanced" judges but certainly not want my
> unqualfied .02 cents worth of 
> > scoring counted....FWIW</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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> > Grabowski</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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> >   size=2>-----Original
> Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Nat Penton 
> >  
> [mailto:natpenton at centurytel.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B>
> Thursday, October 28, 2004 
> >   4:08 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
> discussion at nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> 
> >   CD's<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
> >   <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Sulphur , La.
> contest was just completed with 
> >   six rounds flown. There were 23 fliers with 8
> sportsman and 7 
> >   intermediate.</FONT></DIV>
> >   <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> >   <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The judge
> assignments were approached with the 
> >   following (mis) conceptions:</FONT></DIV>
> >   <DIV><FONT face=Arial
> size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
> >  
>
Sportsman&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb
sp;
> no 
> >   judging</FONT></DIV>
> >   <DIV><FONT face=Arial 
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size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Intermediate&nbsp
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
> 
> >   Sports&nbsp;and Adv only</FONT></DIV>
> >   <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> >   <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This placed quite a
> burden on the upper class 
> >   judges.</FONT></DIV>
> >   <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> >   <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Would appreciate
> comments regarding criteria. 
> >   TIA</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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