[NSRCA-discussion] Brio 10

DaveL322 at comcast.net DaveL322 at comcast.net
Wed May 17 05:33:46 AKDT 2006


In the case of the large Castle ESCs without BEC, the ESC is far more sensitive to noise/interference and will cut the throttle long before a PCM RX goes into hold or failsafe.

For the small stuff w/ BECs, it is always a good idea to plug a whattmeter into the system to check current draw of the servos - there are substantial differences in current draw and efficiency of the little servos.  4 of brand "Q" may provide better performance (more torque and speed) at less current draw than 4 (or even 3) of brand "Z".  And as the servos wear, they may increase current consumption as well - so periodic checks are a good idea if you are running the BEC near capacity.

Regards,

Dave Lockhart
DaveL322 at comcast.net
Team JR
Team Castle Creations

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Larry" <ledunn at centurytel.net> 

> When the BEC causes the esc to shut down, its because the esc is over 
> heating. Normally it shuts down the whole works - including the throttle 
> channel - because the RX has no power. 
> 
> Did he have throttle control but no roll/pitch/yaw control or did the motor 
> just continue to run on its own? 
> 
> It could have been a case where the esc shut down power to the rx, but there 
> was a slight delay (1 to 3 seconds IIRC) before the power to the motor got 
> cut off. That's the way Castle (and several others) esc's usually work. When 
> the signal is lost from the rx throttle channel, the esc will wait a bit, 
> incase its just a glitch, then it shuts off the motor. 
> 
> Not all esc's have that feature tho. 
> 
> You can test how your system responds to a loss of signal by starting the 
> plane at idle speed and turn off your tx. The motor should shut down after a 
> few seconds at most. 
> 
> This will be dependent on the RX as well - if your rx has failsafe 
> programming, the tx off test may give different results depending on how its 
> programmed and if it has a throttle failsafe setting. If the rx has a 
> throttle failsafe programmed - then the only way to test the esc is to 
> unplug the throttle lead while the motor is running. 
> 
> What servos was he running and what voltage was the pack and which esc? 
> 
> I have run 4 servos on 1.5 amp bec's for years and never had any issues. 
> 
> Larry 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Maxwell" 
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:44 PM 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio 10 
> 
> 
> > We had a Prodigy go in a couple of weeks ago because of a 1.5 amp bec 
> > runner 4 servos had to send in for upgrade to the 3 amp, the weird thing 
> > is 
> > the motor kept runner just no control, you think esc design would cut the 
> > motor first for safety. 
> > 
> > Steven Maxwell 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> [Original Message] 
> >> From: Larry 
> >> To: NSRCA Mailing List 
> >> Date: 5/16/2006 10:22:33 PM 
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio 10 
> >> 
> >> There is a ton of info in this very long thread on RC Groups about the 
> > Brio. 
> >> Lots of details on several different motor setups, servos front vrs back 
> >> etc. Actual building info starts on about page 5 or so IIRC. 
> >> 
> >> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=483149&pp=15 
> >> 
> >> I would not do 5 servos. It will add extra weight and you run a very good 
> >> chance of over heating the BEC in your esc. You could use a separate BEC, 
> >> but that adds weight too. 
> >> 
> >> Cutting the rear of the fuse is no big deal. It works fine. 
> >> 
> >> DO tape the canopy on when flying or do one of the canopy latch mods in 
> > the 
> >> thread. It will come off in flight if you don't. The gear axles are very 
> >> soft and bend easily, I would replace them - especially if flying off 
> > grass. 
> >> 
> >> With the 480 up front, you might be able to get a good cg with the servo 
> > in 
> >> the front, but in the rear seems to work better for most people. 
> >> 
> >> As someone else reported, the one I assembled came with almost ALL parts 
> >> warped. It took a good bit of work with the iron to get it straight. 
> >> 
> >> Mine came in at 31.2oz or so with a geared inrunner setup. Flys well 
> > enough, 
> >> tracks well. Tends to snap out in a hard pull. Knifes well. 3D is just 
> > OK. 
> >> Wants to land with some speed. Does not fly like a big plane. 
> >> 
> >> Hope that helps. 
> >> 
> >> Larry 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Eddie Batchelor" 
> >> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:17 AM 
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio 10 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > Richard ( or anyone else with info on the Brio 10) 
> >> > Just started looking at it. I don't like the stock elevator setup. 
> > Could I 
> >> > split the elevator halves with 2 servos. I don't like the stock 
> >> > instructions 
> >> > to cut the fuse rear for installation of stab/elevator and I hope to 
> >> > eliminate that step. 
> >> > 
> >> > How is the weight with the 480 setup. I'm wondering if an extra servo 
> >> > on 
> >> > elevator would balance out ok, not be too heavy overall, and not be too 
> >> > much 
> >> > load on the BEC. After all with p-p rudder the extra hole is already in 
> >> > the 
> >> > fuse for 2 elevator servos. Yeah I know it is intended as an optional 
> >> > rudder 
> >> > servo location, just wondering could 5 servos work. 
> >> > 
> >> > Thanks in advance for any input/advice 
> >> > I've got a lot to learn. 
> >> > Eddie 
> >> > 
> >> > -----Original Message----- 
> >> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> >> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard 
> >> > Strickland 
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:01 AM 
> >> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
> >> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio 10 
> >> > 
> >> > Finally got a couple flights with a 480 outrunner (weather has sucked). 
> > I 
> >> > think it'll be OK with some trimming and prop experimenting. But one 
> >> > item-it screwed off on hard pulls and pushes. The elevator halve 
> >> > connection/joiner could stand some reinforcement as it is driven from 
> > one 
> >> > side and allows some flex that needs to be reduced or eliminated. 
> > Easier 
> >> > to 
> >> > correct b/4 ass'y. 
> >> > 
> >> > RS 
> >> > 
> >> > 
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