[NSRCA-discussion] RX choices

Bill Glaze billglaze at triad.rr.com
Fri Sep 15 12:37:04 AKDT 2006


Gee whiz, Georgie, I would have thought you were too old for her!  Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "george w. kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
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Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RX choices


>
> Boy, I can't wait for that one !!!!!!!  I used to date Hedi and she never
> mentioned anything about DSS to me. I guess it's always been on the
> hush-hush.
> G.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dean Pappas" <d.pappas at kodeos.com>
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RX choices
>
>
>> It's even wierder than that, and I am just too busy right now.
>> Later, I promise,
>> Dean
>>
>> Dean Pappas
>> Sr. Design Engineer
>> Kodeos Communications
>> 111 Corporate Blvd.
>> South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
>> (908) 222-7817 phone
>> (908) 222-2392 fax
>> d.pappas at kodeos.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
>> dwaynenancy
>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:29 AM
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RX choices
>>
>>
>> Yep, she had a patent on the method.  It seems she got the idea while
>> playing a piano.  Dwayne
>>
>> Dean Pappas wrote:
>>
>>> Even the latest Spektrum DSS system is just narrow-band FM!
>>> How that works is an even better story, especially because it involves
>>> Hedi Lamarr!
>>> later,
>>> Dean
>>>
>>>
>>> Dean Pappas
>>> Sr. Design Engineer
>>> Kodeos Communications
>>> 111 Corporate Blvd.
>>> South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
>>> (908) 222-7817 phone
>>> (908) 222-2392 fax
>>> d.pappas at kodeos.com
>>>
>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>     *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>     [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]*On Behalf Of
>>>     *Bob Richards
>>>     *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2006 11:17 AM
>>>     *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RX choices
>>>
>>>     John,
>>>
>>>     I'm not surprised the manufacturers keep the PCM information (like
>>>     packet specification, operating parameters, etc) private.  For
>>>     one, that information could be considered a trade secret and they
>>>     would not want competitors to know about it. On the other hand,
>>>     they might be worried that a competitor would examine the data and
>>>     discover some flaw or limitation in the technology and then
>>>     publicly announce this fact. Still, I'm surprised no one has
>>>     reverse engineered the PCM data stream from either JR or Futaba
>>>     (maybe someone has, I just don't know).
>>>
>>>     I'll take some issue with what you have said regarding the
>>>     technology not changing since the '50s. I believe the '50s saw
>>>     super-regen systems? After that, there was (is) super-heterodyne
>>>     systems. Then, dual conversion and narrow band systems, as well as
>>>     FM instead of AM.  PCM was added (really nothing to do with the
>>>     RF, just a data link added to the existing RF systems). I think
>>>     the systems today are more reliable than in the 70s when I first
>>>     started, and they are having to do this in a much more polluted RF
>>>     environment.
>>>
>>>     Still, I agree with you that, as a group (modelers in general), we
>>>     have not done a good job demanding more from the manufacturers.
>>>     For most, cost seems to be the big issue, but we don't look at
>>>     cost in terms of the big picture, like "a cheap receiver will cost
>>>     you a lot AFTER you buy it".  Those of us that are competitors do
>>>     a better job demanding more, IMHO.
>>>
>>>     Bob R.
>>>
>>>
>>>     */John Ferrell <johnferrell at earthlink.net>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>         Although I fly Futaba I have a lot of respect for the JR 
>>> receiver
>>>         technology. It is the only thing new in receiver design other
>>>         than the
>>>         Futaba synthesized receiver since the early 1950's. The
>>>         technology made the
>>>         change to solid state but that was not taking advantage of any
>>>         new design.
>>>
>>>         I can assure you that Ham radio receivers have made steady
>>>         progress during
>>>         that time even as prices came down.
>>>
>>>         The bigger problem is that we have no idea about the real
>>>         specs on these
>>>         receivers. The maintenance information is held very close and
>>>         parts even
>>>         closer. We have no idea how long it takes to cycle in and out
>>>         of fail safe
>>>         let alone any control over it. In fact we have no real
>>>         indicator of failure
>>>         thresholds. George Steiner has done a lot of work in this area
>>>         such as his
>>>         "missing frames" detector but his work has been hampered by
>>>         lack of
>>>         published specs by the manufactures with PCM.
>>>
>>>         I had hopes of improvements when HiTec swallowed Multiplex but
>>>         it seems to
>>>         me they have only used the acquisition to leverage their
>>>         efforts to become
>>>         another Futaba/JR/Airtronix.
>>>
>>>         We have not been demanding customers and we have put way too
>>>         much faith in
>>>         letting the suppliers make decisions for us!
>>>         John Ferrell W8CCW
>>>         "My Competition is not my enemy"
>>>         http://DixieNC.US
>>>
>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>         From: "Ed Alt"
>>>         To:
>>>         Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:02 PM
>>>         Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] RX choices
>>>
>>>
>>>         >
>>>         > Yep, I've been flying JR single conversion ABC&W sine the
>>>         late 90's in
>>>         > quite
>>>         > a number of different locations around the country and have
>>>         never, not
>>>         > once
>>>         > had the slightest indication of a problem. Lot's of time
>>>         with ignition
>>>         > systems too. Must be some other cheesy single conversion
>>>         receiver?
>>>         >
>>>         > Ed
>>>         >
>>>
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