[NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls

krishlan fitzsimmons homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com
Tue Sep 23 09:52:59 AKDT 2008


Somebody stop em!!  lol   

Chris          

--- On Tue, 9/23/08, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 10:40 AM

I think Black Magic airplanes should be barred from competition.  It  
is too easy to get high scores on spins, because they stop spinning  
immediately after the rudder/elevator controls are neutralized.   
That's just not fair.

Ron VP

On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:16 PM, John Pavlick wrote:

> Yeah but if you REALLY want to make sure you get a 9.5 (like I did)  
> you have to be flying a Black Magic! LOL
>
> John Pavlick
>
> --- On Tue, 9/23/08, JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> From: JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls
> To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 4:38 PM
>
> Try leading with the elevator first for '9.5's', or like my
'9'  
> snaps, just go to the corners at the same time.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.jasonshulman.com
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bob Wilson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:24 PM
> To: aabdu at sbcglobal.net; General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls
>
> Ah..ha, just as I suspected.  The conversation got out of hand, but  
> sure is enjoyable reading.
> Obviously, my snap roll technique was flawed and I can't wait for  
> flying tonight so I can work on the improvements.
>
> Thanks guys
> bw
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Anthony Abdullah  
> <aabdu at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I like that idea!! The rudder could even be mixed to low throttle  
> so each half moves in opposite directions for downline braking, or  
> would that just cause the plane to spin, which could also be cool.
>
> --- On Tue, 9/23/08, rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com>
wrote:
> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls
> To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com, nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 11:30 AM
>
>
> Woa Ed....A one piece rudder wouldn't move much at all so how could  
> it scrape the bench....who are you trying to chide?? That gives me  
> an idea....maybe we should build elevators as 1 piece and rudders  
> as 2 piece. Split rudders will eliminate any belly or canopy  
> pitching. If each half was driven with a separate servo on separate  
> channels, they might be programmed to move differentially and  
> eliminate roll couple also. QED!! Just in case you forgot to trim  
> your triangle, this is a simpler shearing of the hair  Matt ----- 
> Original Message----- From: krishlan fitzsimmons  
> <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com> To: General pattern discussion  
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 1:46 am  
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls Did you put the elevator  
> upside down Ed? You have to make sure you put the non scraping side  
> down.. Chris       --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Ed Alt  
> &lt;ed_alt at hotmail.com&gt; wrote: From: Ed Alt  
> &lt;ed_alt at hotmail.com&gt; Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap  
> rolls To: "General pattern discussion" &lt;nsrca- 
> discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt; Date: Monday, September 22, 2008,  
> 10:03 PM I just tried that. Something doesn't look exactly right  
> and the elevator is scraping the workbench now.  What am I doing  
> wrong?    Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: JShulman To:  
> General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:30  
> PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls swap rudder with  
> elevator   Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com  
> www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com -----Original  
> Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org  
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bob  
> Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:24 AM To: General  
> pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls I'm  
> probably opening this up for lots of discussion, but what is the  
> correct technique for a snap?   For an inside snap, I apply rudder  
> a fraction before (same direction) aileron and up elevator. For an  
> outside snap, I apply rudder a fraction before opposite aileron and  
> down elevator.   Problem is, I watch the big boys do snaps on my  
> TOC videos and mine look so raggedy-ass.  
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