[NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question

Tue Apr 7 02:50:16 AKDT 2009

Now THAT'S funny, yet so darn true...if I'm calling for someone I can 
suggest to them the correct rudder most of the time...if I'm flying, I can 
never seem to get it right...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Maurice" <gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question


> Statistically ya gotta 50 - 50 chance of using the correct 
> rudder............
>
> So why in God's name, sure as He made little green apples, I'll move that 
> stick the wrong way 90% of the time.
>
>
> Gene Maurice
> gene.maurice at comcast.net
> Plano, Texas
> AMA 3408   NSRCA 877
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jon Lowe
> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:59 PM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
>
> Hey Chuck, you can't say ANYTHING anymore without offending someone.
> One radio commentator calls us the "United States of the Offended".
>
> BTW, I cheat as much as possible when I fly.  I also seem to get caught
> a lot, especially when my "cheat" makes things worse. After all, wrong
> rudder is the most powerful force in the universe, isn't it?!
>
>
> Jon Lowe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Hochhalter <cahochhalter at yahoo.com>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 8:05 pm
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
>
>
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> I apologize if anyone took offense to my cheating comment.   My entire
> flight is a cheat to avoid zeros.  It was meant to be humorous.  Every
> correction made is a "cheat" we hope is not noticed so we receive the
> highest score possible.
>
>
> Chuck Hochhalter
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------- 
>
> From: "billglaze" <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>
> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:55 PM
>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
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>
>> AHA!  So, that was you!!  Bill Glaze
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Burton" <burtona at atmc.net>
>
>> To: <patternrules at yahoo.com>; "'General pattern discussion'"
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
>> Sent: Monday, April 06, 20
> 09 5:09 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
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>>
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>>> At a contest last week end I failed to do a half roll at the bottom
> of
>>> the
>
>>> triangle. I realized what I had done after pulling to the up line
> and
>
>>> skillfully did a full roll to get back in inverted position for the
>>> figure
>
>>> 9. Both judges zeroed the triangle for missing the first half roll
> but
>
>>> neither caught the full roll to get back inverted until I told them
> after
>
>>> the flight.
>
>>> Dave Burton
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>>>
>
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>
>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> Steven
>
>>> Maxwell
>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:23 PM
>
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
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>>>
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>>>
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>>> Actually I did a wrong maneuver at a contest the district
> championships I
>
>>> only seen my scores after they had been put in the computer I told
> the CD
>
>>> that it should have been a zero and the next 2 maneuver also should
> have
>
>>> been zero, till I corrected my position.
>
>>> Steve Maxwell
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>>>
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>>>
>
>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dennis Cone <patternpilot at verizon.net> wrote:C2
>
>>>
>
>>>> From: Dennis Cone <patternpilot at verizon.net>
>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
>
>>>> To: "'General pattern discussion'"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:27 PM
>
>>>> I once was at a contest flying Masters in which I found
>
>>>> myself right side up
>
>>>> when I should have been inverted. We were flying into the
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>>>> sun so I pulled
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>>>> vertical right into the suns path, did the required
>
>>>> maneuver and when I
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>>>> reached the sun I rolled and pushed out of the maneuver. I
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>>>> was then in the
>
>>>> right position for the next maneuver. A round later I was
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>>>> calling for Frank
>
>>>> Capone and he did the same thing. So I whispered to him to
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>>>> pull into the sun
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>>>> and roll right when he could not see it. Neither one of us
>
>>>> got caught. Was
>
>>>> it cheating? Perhaps, but I like to call it creative
>
>>>> flying. It was not
>
>>>> planned, so really not cheating. I'm sure everyone has
>
>>>> done a maneuver
>
>>>> incorrectly and was not caught by the judges. Did you tell
>
>>>> them to zero it?
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>>>> Probably not.
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>>>>
>
>>>> Dennis
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>>>>
>
>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>
>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at li
> sts.nsrca.org
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>>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
>
>>>> Of Ron Van Putte
>
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:13 AM
>
>>>> To: General pattern discussion
>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
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>>>>
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>>>> It's only cheating if you get caught.
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>>>>
>
>>>> Ron
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>>>>
>
>>>> On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Chuck Hochhalter wrote:
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>>>>
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>>>> > Ron, that is cheating, you should immediately point
>
>>>> out to the
>
>>>> > judges that you lead the snap in order to preserve the
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>>>> geometry of
>
>>>> > the maneuver.
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>>>> >
>
>>>> > -------------------------------------------------- 
>
>>>> > From: "Ronald Van Putte"
>
>>>> <vanputte at cox.net>
>
>>>> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:34 PM
>
>>>> > To: "General pattern discussion"
>
>>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche
>
>>>> question
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>>>> >
>
>>>> >> What you can try is easing some yaw in by putting
>
>>>> in a bit of
>
>>>> >> left  rudder just before entering the snap (the
>
>>>> judges probably
>
>>>> >> won't even  notice).
>
>>>> >>
>
>>>> >> Ron
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>>>> >>
>
>>>> >> On Apr 5, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Keith Black wrote:
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>>>> >>
>
>
>>>> >>> I'm having trouble with the Masters
>
>>>> Avalanche and wanted to see
>
>>>> >>> if anyone had any suggestions or was
>
>>>> experiencing the same problem.
>
>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>
>
>>>> >>> Entering the maneuver left to right then
>
>>>> pushing the half loop
>
>>>> >>> to  the snap, If I attempt a positive snap to
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>>>> the right (which
>
>>>> >>> rotates  the plane away from the flight line)
>
>>>> the nose comes
>
>>>> >>> around nicely  to complete the arch of the
>
>>>> loop, but ends
>
>>>> >>> pointing about 20  degrees away from the
>
>>>> flight line. If I stay
>
>>>> >>> on the rudder after  the snap I can
>
>>>> immediately put the plane
>
>>>> >>> back in line, but it's  quite ugly and
>
>>>> obvious rather than
>
>>>> >>> smoothly exiting the snap  parallel to the
>
>>>> flight line. I've
>
>>>> >>> tried using less rudder, but have  not been
>
>>>> able to get that to
>
>>>> >>> work any better.
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>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>> I've also tried an outside snap but to me
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>>>> this looks terrible
>
>>>> >>> and  the nose is elevated on exit.
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>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>> The plane is a Beryll.
> =0
> A
>>>> >>>
>
>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>
>
>>>> >>> Thanks,
>
>>>> >>>
>
>>>> >>> Keith Black
>
>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>
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