<HTML><BODY STYLE="font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Most folks, being honest, would have to admit they DO NOT know all the classes...which raises the question of "what if the pilot's caller doesn't call loudly enough for you to hear?", or better yet, "what if the CALLER calls the INCORRECT maneuver?" [Nah, NEVER would happen]</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Then, where's the judge at...an ugly place....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I saw a pilot do a 3/4 roll on a humpty that should have been 1/4....zeroed him...the OTHER judge "didn't see that", so he scored it a 7 or something...and since we weren't conferring, guess what?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SEVERAL people were REALLY interested in why there was a difference...except the pilot....hmm...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> Del Rykert</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:19 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org; vanputte@nuc.net</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pattern Fun / scribe</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>How do you memorize all the different classes of maneuvers? I can't memorize<BR>my own let alone all the others.<BR><BR> Del K. Rykert<BR> AMA - 8928<BR> NSRCA - 473<BR> Kb2joi - General<BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte@nuc.net><BR>To: <discussion@nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 6:25 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Pattern Fun / scribe<BR><BR><BR>> I don't use a scribe and I never look down. I use a legal size<BR>> clipboard and a long legal pad to record the scores. Then I transfer<BR>> the scores during the landing approach. You can't do that? Pity. I've<BR>> been doing it for years.<BR>><BR>> Ron Van Putte<BR>><BR>><BR>> George Kennie wrote:<BR>><BR>> > Right On!, James!<BR>> > That's exactly why I wont sit in the chair without a scribe!<BR>> > G<BR>> ><BR>> > Woodward James R Civ 412 TW/DRP wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >>You may have your own opinion on scribes or no scribes. BUT, do this at<BR>the<BR>> >>next contest. Fly your round, then sit back and watch another flyer in<BR>YOUR<BR>> >>class. Whatch his flight real close, and I'm sure you'll pick out some<BR>> >>errors, then, quickly look at the judges and notice which of the judges<BR>did<BR>> >>not see the error, because their head was obviously down, and looking at<BR>the<BR>> >>paper. Then, realize that if you judge and look down to write scores,<BR>that<BR>> >>you probably miss something from that flight as well. At the last<BR>contest,<BR>> >>I watched 1 judge who consistently missed the first two points of the<BR>> >>inverted 4-pt roll, because they were looking down at writing the score<BR>from<BR>> >>the full-roll 1/2 outside loop. How the heck can you judge the 4-pt<BR>> >>accurately, if you miss the entry (wings level? heading?<BR>> >>decending/climbing?), first roll rate, etc? Not to mention all other<BR>> >>manuevers. No judge should be looking down during any flight, from<BR>> >>sportsman to FAI. Tough issue....<BR>> >><BR>> >>Jim W.<BR>> >><BR>> >>-----Original Message-----<BR>> >>From: John Ferrell [mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net]<BR>> >>Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:52 AM<BR>> >>To: discussion@nsrca.org<BR>> >>Subject: Re: Pattern Fun<BR>> >><BR>> >> (Can't see how you can judge FAI or Masters without a scribe.)<BR>> >>You don't have to keep the clipboard in your lap!<BR>> >><BR>> >>John Ferrell<BR>> >>6241 Phillippi Rd<BR>> >>Julian NC 27283<BR>> >>Phone: (336)685-9606<BR>> >>Dixie Competition Products<BR>> >>NSRCA 479 AMA 4190 W8CCW<BR>> >>"My Competition is Not My Enemy"<BR>> >><BR>> >>=====================================<BR>> >># To be removed from this list, send a message to<BR>> >># discussion-request@nsrca.org<BR>> >># and put leave discussion on the first line of the body.<BR>> >>#<BR>> >>=====================================<BR>> >># To be removed from this list, send a message to<BR>> >># discussion-request@nsrca.org<BR>> >># and put leave discussion on the first line of the body.<BR>> >>#<BR>> >><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > =====================================<BR>> > # To be removed from this list, send a message to<BR>> > # discussion-request@nsrca.org<BR>> > # and put leave discussion on the first line of the body.<BR>> > #<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR>> =====================================<BR>> # To be removed from this list, send a message to<BR>> # discussion-request@nsrca.org<BR>> # and put leave discussion on the first line of the body.<BR>> #<BR>><BR><BR><BR>=====================================<BR># To be removed from this list, send a message to <BR># discussion-request@nsrca.org<BR># and put leave discussion on the first line of the body.<BR>#<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>