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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob:<BR><BR>I think Matt was saying that he might
as well as land. The only requirement to make a pilot land is something
falling off the model in flight, or passing behind the zero line multiple times,
earning zeros. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR><A href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rcaerobob@cox.net href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">Bob Pastorello</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 23, 2002 6:13
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pattern Fun / scribe /
Judging</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>A question....Matt suggested that an FAI pilot is required
to land for doing an incorrect maneuver? I'm not sure I understand
that, and I don't think that's what Matt meant, but I'd like to
know....anyone?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199, AMA 46373<BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A
href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</A><BR></DIV>
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<A title=Rcmaster199@aol.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 23, 2002 5:31
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pattern Fun / scribe /
Judging</DIV>
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">All,<BR><BR>This happened to us at this year's Nats:
<BR><BR>I, along with two others, judged F3A on site 3, the last day of
preliminary flying. Things were moving right along, callers calling and
pilots flying, and we simply judged as best we could. Some distance down the
order, a very capable competitor, (all F3A competitors that I saw on that
line were very capable), was given a maneuver out of sequence to perform,
which he did. <BR><BR>I felt something was off immediately, placed a dot at
that maneuver, and continued scoring on my pad (RVP's idea and I like it). I
was familiar with the PO3 sequence since I call it for my friend back home,
but was not certain of what exactly the deviation was, since the
caller had called it that way. He got it wrong and the pilot flew it wrong.
<BR><BR>A considerable amount of my concentration as a judge was blown when
I noticed the problem. I am fairly certain the competitor knew his flight
was burned as well. Without full concentration, he stopped flying to his
ability and I stopped judging to mine. In truth he needed to land the plane
per F3A rules, but since I wasn't sure what he had done, I allowed him to
finish the flight<BR><BR>My point is, judging is difficult to do well; it is
a chore to be sure, but it is also the most important chore in a contest.
Familiarity alone is not enough if we sit the chair. Having the caller call
the maneuvers out loud is obviously not foolproof. This was not the first
time this has happened and will not be the last. <BR><BR>My answer to this
is, PREPARE TO SIT THE CHAIR; one cannot simply be "familiar with the
sequence" as the Certification class teaches. One must have a working
knowledge of the sequence. It is our responsibility and duty to do the best
possible job judging the people who have worked so hard to get themselves
ready. Anything less and we are derelict in our duty. <BR><BR>Respectfully
submitted,<BR><BR>Matt Kebabjian<BR><BR><BR>In a message dated 9/23/2002
10:28:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomanekw@saic-abingdon.com
writes:<BR><BR><BR>
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TYPE="CITE">Subj:<B>RE: Pattern Fun / scribe / Judging
</B><BR>Date:9/23/2002 10:28:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time<BR>From:<A
href="mailto:tomanekw@saic-abingdon.com">tomanekw@saic-abingdon.com</A><BR>Reply-to:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR>To:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><I>Sent
from the Internet </I><BR><BR><BR><BR>Ok, we spend hours and hours
building the planes (or work a lot at regular<BR>jobs and pay for someone
to build the plane), setting the planes, trimming,<BR>and then practicing,
and learning our sequences. We also need to find time<BR>to learn
the other sequences. If there are no opportunities at local
field,<BR>pay attention to the sequences in the early rounds of a contest
and maybe<BR>that will be enough to be able to judge the last round, or at
the next<BR>contest. Use the contests to learn and not just hang out with
friend.<BR>Scribing is a good way to learn too.<BR><BR>As a judge one has
the responsibility to the pilot being judged and others<BR>in the contest
to not only be familiar but know the sequence very well and<BR>easily
identify small but crucial errors (say in the FAI snap followed
by<BR>point rolls in the OPPOSITE direction - wrong direction will earn
you zero).<BR>Reading the sequence is not enough, seeing it flown numerous
times correctly<BR>is a must in my book. Eric is correct that some
of the maneuver<BR>descriptions are too long to be announced just before
the maneuver without<BR>interfering with the judging and the pilot's
concentration. My call sheet<BR>has certain words bolded in the
description and I always ask the caller to<BR>only read the bolded stuff,
so I only have to be reminded of what is coming<BR>up but not the entire
maneuver description, for instance: <BR>
"triangle" means "triangle with two out of four point
rolls"
<BR> "square" means "square form the top
with half rolls in first and third<BR>leg"<BR>But that is certainly not
enough for the unfamiliar judge.<BR><BR>The bottom line is that it is the
judges responsibility to KNOW the sequence<BR>he/she is judging. If
you are asked to judge and you are not familiar with<BR>the sequence -
tell the CD that you are not comfortable judging this class,<BR>he will
find someone else. In the past I have declined to judge FAI when
I<BR>was not familiar with the sequence. If I cannot judge to the
best of my<BR>abilities because I do not know the sequence I do not want
to judge and<BR>should not be allowed either - there are no excuses on
this issue.
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