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I wondered about that too........couldn't recall seeing it in the rules.
Bill Glaze
<p>Bob Pastorello wrote:
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<font size=-1>A question....Matt
suggested that an FAI pilot is required to land for doing an incorrect
maneuver? I'm not sure I understand that, and I don't think
that's what Matt meant, but I'd like to know....anyone?</font>
<br>Bob Pastorello
<br>NSRCA 199, AMA 46373
<br><a href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</a>
<br><a href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</a>
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<a href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com" title="Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</a></div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org" title="discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a></div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 23, 2002 5:31
PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Pattern Fun / scribe
/ Judging</div>
<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>All,</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>This happened to us at this year's
Nats:</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>I, along with two others, judged F3A
on site 3, the last day of preliminary flying. Things were moving right
along, callers calling and pilots flying, and we simply judged as best
we could. Some distance down the order, a very capable competitor, (all
F3A competitors that I saw on that line were very capable), was given a
maneuver out of sequence to perform, which he did.</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>I felt something was off immediately,
placed a dot at that maneuver, and continued scoring on my pad (RVP's idea
and I like it). I was familiar with the PO3 sequence since I call it for
my friend back home, but was not certain of what exactly the deviation
was, since the caller had called it that way. He got it wrong and
the pilot flew it wrong.</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>A considerable amount of my concentration
as a judge was blown when I noticed the problem. I am fairly certain the
competitor knew his flight was burned as well. Without full concentration,
he stopped flying to his ability and I stopped judging to mine. In truth
he needed to land the plane per F3A rules, but since I wasn't sure what
he had done, I allowed him to finish the flight</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>My point is, judging is difficult to
do well; it is a chore to be sure, but it is also the most important chore
in a contest. Familiarity alone is not enough if we sit the chair. Having
the caller call the maneuvers out loud is obviously not foolproof. This
was not the first time this has happened and will not be the last.</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>My answer to this is, PREPARE TO SIT
THE CHAIR; one cannot simply be "familiar with the sequence" as the Certification
class teaches. One must have a working knowledge of the sequence. It is
our responsibility and duty to do the best possible job judging the people
who have worked so hard to get themselves ready. Anything less and we are
derelict in our duty.</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Respectfully submitted,</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Matt Kebabjian</font></font>
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<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>In a message dated 9/23/2002 10:28:18
AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomanekw@saic-abingdon.com writes:</font></font>
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TYPE="CITE"><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Subj:<b>RE:
Pattern Fun / scribe / Judging</b></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Date:9/23/2002 10:28:18 AM Eastern
Daylight Time</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>From:<a href="mailto:tomanekw@saic-abingdon.com">tomanekw@saic-abingdon.com</a></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Reply-to:<a href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>To:<a href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a></font></font>
<br><i><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Sent from the Internet</font></font></i>
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<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Ok, we spend hours and hours building
the planes (or work a lot at regular</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>jobs and pay for someone to build
the plane), setting the planes, trimming,</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>and then practicing, and learning
our sequences. We also need to find time</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>to learn the other sequences.
If there are no opportunities at local field,</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>pay attention to the sequences in
the early rounds of a contest and maybe</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>that will be enough to be able to
judge the last round, or at the next</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>contest. Use the contests to learn
and not just hang out with friend.</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Scribing is a good way to learn too.</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>As a judge one has the responsibility
to the pilot being judged and others</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>in the contest to not only be familiar
but know the sequence very well and</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>easily identify small but crucial
errors (say in the FAI snap followed by</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>point rolls in the OPPOSITE direction
- wrong direction will earn you zero).</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Reading the sequence is not enough,
seeing it flown numerous times correctly</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>is a must in my book. Eric is
correct that some of the maneuver</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>descriptions are too long to be announced
just before the maneuver without</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>interfering with the judging and the
pilot's concentration. My call sheet</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>has certain words bolded in the description
and I always ask the caller to</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>only read the bolded stuff, so I only
have to be reminded of what is coming</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>up but not the entire maneuver description,
for instance:</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1> "triangle"
means "triangle with two out of four point rolls"</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1> "square"
means "square form the top with half rolls in first and third</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>leg"</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>But that is certainly not enough for
the unfamiliar judge.</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>The bottom line is that it is the judges
responsibility to KNOW the sequence</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>he/she is judging. If you are
asked to judge and you are not familiar with</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>the sequence - tell the CD that you
are not comfortable judging this class,</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>he will find someone else. In
the past I have declined to judge FAI when I</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>was not familiar with the sequence.
If I cannot judge to the best of my</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>abilities because I do not know the
sequence I do not want to judge and</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>should not be allowed either - there
are no excuses on this issue.</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Wojtek</font></font></blockquote>
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