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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Troy:<BR><BR>One correction. NSRCA proposals do NOT
get an automatic pass on the initial vote. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>This changed about 6 years ago. As a matter of fact,
An NSRCA past President, Rick Allison, spent long hours writing a proposal to
help counteract this change. However, it ended up being thrown out by the
AMA Exec. Counsel. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I am in total support of ANY AMA member sending in
proposals. Past surveys prove that NSRCA can't think of everything that
needs to be done. Many things can be missed, or not even thought of.
It is also very easy to just sit back and let NSRCA handle everything.
Don't do that! That's the problem with the "silent majority" of our
country now! We don't vote, and so we end up with what we get.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>It takes nerve to stand up for your ideas. Good job,
Troy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR><A href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1-800-962-7802</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=troy_newman@msn.com href="mailto:troy_newman@msn.com">Troy Newman</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:40
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: bureaucratic
organization!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The SIG has special consideration in the Board as all proposals from the
SIG automatically go to the final vote.....All other non-SIG proposals go to
an initial vote to weed out the junk and then if they make it to the final
Vote.</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This was not a Counter Proposal. It was not intended to tear down the
results or the Vote of the NSRCA membership.....Rather it is a group of AMA
members with no ill towards the NSRCA and all NSRCA members and advocates of
the NSRCA We presented a Sequence to the Board for
consideration as an option a choice. See by us doing it outside the NSRCA the
process had much less red tape. Yes we had the decisions and made them without
everybody's input...TRUE! But so did the NSRCA the number was what about 200
surveys returned out of how many members...Same old problem you can't
solve.....Also the results were posted as Sequence #1 was the winner How many
votes for each of the 3 sequences......? Did the NSRCA look at them and say
hey Sequence #1 got 80 votes and #2 and #3 got 60 each so #1 wins..... because
of the way its one voice one vote setup did the NSRCA look at the numbers and
say there is our winner submit it?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>That's is part of flawed process when the Red Tape of the NSRCA is
involved. Outside the system by a few motivated people can do as well....i
shopped this around to dozens of people and got comments some made it in and
some did not.....The flow of the sequence was paramount...next came the
complexity, next came judging compatibility and last came the egos........Look
I'm not pushing it on you! You don't like the sequence then tell your guy to
vote it down.....Simple eh?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But now is the time for your input contact your Board Member and tell him
how you want his vote cast!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I've seen Eric's job and don't want it. Did you guys ever see that
commercial for that had the Cowboys herding cats! or better yet the one from
the same company that had the plane being built in the air! That is what
Eric's job is like!!!!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So get along little kitties and good job Eric. I applaud your efforts. I
know its hell.....I don't think the NSRCA is the end all answer to its own
problems..........I think we need a Beer! </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Troy Newman</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B>
Amar Shan</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:43
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Masters 2005 Options</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>This message elicited a heavy, heavy sigh from
me.<BR><BR>The AMA is a large and bureaucratic organization, covering a
great many<BR>disciplines. The only way such an organization can
reasonably function<BR>is through the use of Special Interest Groups,
focused on specific<BR>disciplines, to make recommendations specific to
each. As the<BR>sanctioning body, the AMA will make the ultimate
decision, it is true.<BR>However, the AMA established the SIG to represent
the interests of a<BR>group of modelers, and I would expect them to pay
considerable attention<BR>to the SIG's recommendations. NSRCA is the
SIG for pattern.<BR><BR>A pattern flyer can take their recommendations
directly to the AMA, but<BR>they are, in effect, forming an ad-hoc SIG for
pattern. I would expect<BR>the AMA to pay less heed to such a
recommendation than to the one from<BR>the appointed SIG. <BR><BR>As
an aside, NSRCA seems to do a pretty good job catering to the needs<BR>of
pattern flyers (mind you, I am a Canadian, so I only see the good<BR>stuff,
not the petty bickering). If anyone has strong feelings about<BR>the
direction pattern is taking, assuming a leadership role in NSRCA<BR>seems to
be the right way to act on those feelings.<BR><BR>With reference to the
specific case at hand, Voltaire said it best: "I<BR>disagree with what
you say, but I will defend to the death your right to<BR>say it".
<BR><BR>Troy is certainly entitled to put a proposal forward to AMA, and
none<BR>have the right to bear malice for his having done so. Nor have
I heard<BR>such malice expressed. Of course, I think he has a better
chance of<BR>getting his proposal accepted going through the NSRCA ... and
would<BR>rather see someone with all this energy joining and assuming
leadership<BR>responsibility in the NSRCA than in submitting
counter-proposals to the<BR>AMA ... but that's a personal choice.<BR><BR>A
Canadian's 2 cents worth...<BR><BR>Best
regards,<BR><BR>Amar<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR clear=all>
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