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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#008080
size=2>Larry..</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#008080
size=2> Boy oh BOY... I hope members do a hard
read of what you posted. You address many of the issues that do stifle growth of
pattern. I also walked many miles in those moccasins of no help or guidance from
anyone and no list to learn from either. Others apparently have little or no
idea of the obstacles some of us have to deal with just to get a plane up and
working reliably. When you have local experience and expertise it becomes a
whole lot easier. Making it more difficult or change the type of technology
isn't going to stimulate pattern growth. I look back at the change to 2
meter designs and how many insisted that the ole 60 size would still be
competitive and a viable way to fly. Granted I was eventually able to win a
couple of contests but best I place at the Nats when it wasn't breezy was
7th. When the wind was blowing I was scoring in the 20th plus place.
The bouncy around was getting me nailed by the judges even though the book says
that they aren't to do that. Look at how many left when it went to turnaround.
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#008080
size=2> Very well thought out and worded
post.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#008080
size=2> </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=#008080
size=2> Del K. Rykert<BR> AMA -
8928 <BR> NSRCA - 473<BR> Kb2joi
- General </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jed241@email.msn.com href="mailto:jed241@email.msn.com">Larry
Diamond</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 10, 2002 7:50
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Weight Limit</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Keith,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>There are many differing opinions
on the topic...Here is mine...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>>>recruiting new members, growing
pattern</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>If you look at the survey
on RC Universe, I believe it confirm what some already knew. Participation is
lacking because of local interest as the # 1 hitter...So, ask why is pattern
not popular...One conclusion could be made that, to be competitive, you need a
good plane with good equipment. This cost much more than an average sport
flyer wishes to put out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>There are some that say
IMAC don't seem to have this problem. I'm not an IMAC'r, but I believe they
are doing a great job in marketing there sport to the average sport
flyer.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Flying fields may get
to be an issue with larger planes. Some fields may start to limit size that we
fly contest at. If this happens it would be a direct hit on local interest. I
am about 150 miles to the closest contest over the last couple years.
Hopefully this next year can be different. This has been part of the reason I
have not been attending contest. Family Time Vs Contest Time. The closest
Pattern fliers to my area is 2 or 3 hours away. By nature, I'm a very
competitive person. Golf was very frustrating to me and I couldn't get my
scores below 90. I sold everything and vowed to never to play
golf again....I forgot to mention that my score is for 9 holes
<VBG>...Ever try to teach yourself something you don't know, and then
try to set up a plane to fly well which you don't have that level of
experience...It's taken two years to learn what I have. Mostly from this
discussion group.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>>>advancing designs and
technology</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The material that we see in
pattern today are very light weight material and perhaps stronger. Engines are
bigger and lighter with more HP. Titanium Push Rods, CF push rods, CF/ Kevlar
Kits Vs Fiberglass. How many of those technologies would have made it in
pattern if Size and Weight was not a limiting factor.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I work in the Electronics
Industry and manage very cutting edge products that push the limits of
manufacturing. This leads to new ways of manufacturing. I managed a program a
couple of years ago where we put a .018 inch cube electronic device on a .008
inch PCB board at over 100K assemblies per month. This would not have been
necessary if the size of the product was increased. Comparing size and
performance of electronics could be compared to advancing technology in
Pattern Plane design. We would not be where we are today if cost and space was
not a concern for electronic consumers. Everyone would have a PC the size of a
closet and working on a 286 Turbo w/ EGA. Very high power for the consumer in
the mid-late 80's.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So, if we have gone as far
as we can in advancing technologies with Pattern Design and Performance. I
would agree to change the limit, -but not remove it-. I just don't think we
are at that point.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Again, Twisted perception
from a twisted mind.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tkeithb@attbi.com href="mailto:tkeithb@attbi.com">Keith Black</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:14
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Weight Limit</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Larry,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Honestly I haven't decided which side of this
issue I'm on. Could you explain why you think increasing the weight limit
would negatively effect the goal of recruiting new members, growing pattern
and advancing designs and technology? I don't see the
correlation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Keith</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>