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<P>Tom / Bill</P>
<P>IMAC attendance was also down at the NAT's last year. Compared to pattern they had far less participation on a percentage basis of overall membership than pattern.</P>
<P>Might be that many IMAC mambers don't compete in contest's?</P>
<P>Buddy <BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: "Thomas C. Weedon" <WEEDON@WWNET.NET>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: discussion@nsrca.org
<DIV></DIV>>To: <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: Weight Limit
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:42:19 -0500
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Bill,
<DIV></DIV>>The latest that I have heard is that they have experienced some drop outs
<DIV></DIV>>after the orginal excitment a few years ago which leaves them around 800
<DIV></DIV>>members. The IMAC contests up here have been down on attendance over this
<DIV></DIV>>last year. Tom Wheeler told me that they were tight on money and could not
<DIV></DIV>>afford to publish a magazine without a loss. That's why they were pushing
<DIV></DIV>>their on-line issue. Now that they have joined with RC Excellance magazine,
<DIV></DIV>>their publishing problems my go away. Just my observations. I still want to
<DIV></DIV>>fly IMAC when I have the time. I have 2 good planes (only 80"w.s. though)
<DIV></DIV>>Tom W.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>-----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>>From: discussion-request@nsrca.org
<DIV></DIV>>[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
<DIV></DIV>>Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 1:10 PM
<DIV></DIV>>To: discussion@nsrca.org
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: Weight Limit
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Tom:
<DIV></DIV>>Last I heard, IMAC has a larger membership than NSRCA. where did you get
<DIV></DIV>>your
<DIV></DIV>>figures? I happened to be RD for the SE when we first broke 1K.
<DIV></DIV>>Bill Glaze
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>"Thomas C. Weedon" wrote:
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> > GeorgeF,
<DIV></DIV>> > You are WAAAAY off base with your membership in IMAC. IMAC has less
<DIV></DIV>>members
<DIV></DIV>> > than we do. IMAA, repeat, IMAA has about 10,000 members. IMAA is NOT,
<DIV></DIV>>repeat
<DIV></DIV>> > NOT the same as IMAC!!!!
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > -----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>> > From: discussion-request@nsrca.org
<DIV></DIV>> > [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]On Behalf Of GeorgeF.
<DIV></DIV>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:02 AM
<DIV></DIV>> > To: discussion@nsrca.org
<DIV></DIV>> > Subject: Re: Weight Limit
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > A key point he made was the fact that IMAC is marketing itself to the
<DIV></DIV>>Sport
<DIV></DIV>> > Pilots. And about 4-5 months ago I had mentioned on this forum about
<DIV></DIV>>NSRCA
<DIV></DIV>> > should do a better job marketing itself to the sport pilot. But instead
<DIV></DIV>> > of getting any meaningful feedback I just got a bunch of crap from the
<DIV></DIV>> > NSRCA president.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > I had offered suggestions but was pretty much told by the President that
<DIV></DIV>> > "we're already doing that and I have a plan for the NSRCA". However we
<DIV></DIV>> > never did learn what that plan was....
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > It appears the NSRCA is trying to cater to the wrong group. We need to do
<DIV></DIV>>a
<DIV></DIV>> > better job of marketing our sport to the sport pilot which is a market
<DIV></DIV>> > share of nearly 100,000 pilots. The way I see it it appears the NSRCA is
<DIV></DIV>> > trying to cater and market itself to the IMAC crowd whos market share is
<DIV></DIV>> > only about 10,000 pilots. What is wrong with this picture??? The
<DIV></DIV>> > IMAC'ers already have a "special interest" in this hobby and don't need
<DIV></DIV>> > another one (ie: pattern). The sport pilot (guy boring holes in the sky
<DIV></DIV>> > with their .40's, .60's and 1.20's) has yet to develop a "special
<DIV></DIV>> > interest", it should be the job of the entire membership (including its
<DIV></DIV>> > elected officials) to sway the sport pilot to our ranks. I think it would
<DIV></DIV>> > be easier to sway a sport pilot our way then it would be to sway an
<DIV></DIV>>IMAC'er
<DIV></DIV>> > our way.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > George
<DIV></DIV>> > "the thorn with a point to make"
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > At 10:16 AM 11/12/2002 -0800, you wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> > >Larry..
<DIV></DIV>> > > Boy oh BOY... I hope members do a hard read of what you posted.
<DIV></DIV>>You
<DIV></DIV>> > > address many of the issues that do stifle growth of pattern. I also
<DIV></DIV>> > > walked many miles in those moccasins of no help or guidance from anyone
<DIV></DIV>> > > and no list to learn from either. Others apparently have little or no
<DIV></DIV>> > > idea of the obstacles some of us have to deal with just to get a plane
<DIV></DIV>>up
<DIV></DIV>> > > and working reliably. When you have local experience and expertise it
<DIV></DIV>> > > becomes a whole lot easier. Making it more difficult or change the type
<DIV></DIV>> > > of technology isn't going to stimulate pattern growth. I look back at
<DIV></DIV>> > > the change to 2 meter designs and how many insisted that the ole 60 size
<DIV></DIV>> > > would still be competitive and a viable way to fly. Granted I was
<DIV></DIV>> > > eventually able to win a couple of contests but best I place at the Nats
<DIV></DIV>> > > when it wasn't breezy was 7th. When the wind was blowing I was scoring
<DIV></DIV>> > > in the 20th plus place. The bouncy around was getting me nailed by the
<DIV></DIV>> > > judges even though the book says that they aren't to do that. Look at
<DIV></DIV>>how
<DIV></DIV>> > > many left when it went to turnaround.
<DIV></DIV>> > > Very well thought out and worded post.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > Del K. Rykert
<DIV></DIV>> > > AMA - 8928
<DIV></DIV>> > > NSRCA - 473
<DIV></DIV>> > > Kb2joi - General
<DIV></DIV>> > >----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>> > >From: <?xml:namespace prefix = mailto /><mailto:jed241@email.msn.com>Larry Diamond
<DIV></DIV>> > >To: <mailto:discussion@nsrca.org>discussion@nsrca.org
<DIV></DIV>> > >Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 7:50 AM
<DIV></DIV>> > >Subject: Re: Weight Limit
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >Keith,
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >There are many differing opinions on the topic...Here is mine...
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >>recruiting new members, growing pattern
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >If you look at the survey on RC Universe, I believe it confirm what some
<DIV></DIV>> > >already knew. Participation is lacking because of local interest as the #
<DIV></DIV>> > >1 hitter...So, ask why is pattern not popular...One conclusion could be
<DIV></DIV>> > >made that, to be competitive, you need a good plane with good equipment.
<DIV></DIV>> > >This cost much more than an average sport flyer wishes to put out.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >There are some that say IMAC don't seem to have this problem. I'm not an
<DIV></DIV>> > >IMAC'r, but I believe they are doing a great job in marketing there sport
<DIV></DIV>> > >to the average sport flyer.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >Flying fields may get to be an issue with larger planes. Some fields may
<DIV></DIV>> > >start to limit size that we fly contest at. If this happens it would be a
<DIV></DIV>> > >direct hit on local interest. I am about 150 miles to the closest contest
<DIV></DIV>> > >over the last couple years. Hopefully this next year can be different.
<DIV></DIV>> > >This has been part of the reason I have not been attending contest.
<DIV></DIV>>Family
<DIV></DIV>> > >Time Vs Contest Time. The closest Pattern fliers to my area is 2 or 3
<DIV></DIV>> > >hours away. By nature, I'm a very competitive person. Golf was very
<DIV></DIV>> > >frustrating to me and I couldn't get my scores below 90. I sold
<DIV></DIV>>everything
<DIV></DIV>> > >and vowed to never to play golf again....I forgot to mention that my
<DIV></DIV>>score
<DIV></DIV>> > >is for 9 holes <VBG>...Ever try to teach yourself something you don't
<DIV></DIV>> > >know, and then try to set up a plane to fly well which you don't have
<DIV></DIV>>that
<DIV></DIV>> > >level of experience...It's taken two years to learn what I have. Mostly
<DIV></DIV>> > >from this discussion group.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >>advancing designs and technology
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >The material that we see in pattern today are very light weight material
<DIV></DIV>> > >and perhaps stronger. Engines are bigger and lighter with more HP.
<DIV></DIV>> > >Titanium Push Rods, CF push rods, CF/ Kevlar Kits Vs Fiberglass. How many
<DIV></DIV>> > >of those technologies would have made it in pattern if Size and Weight
<DIV></DIV>>was
<DIV></DIV>> > >not a limiting factor.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >I work in the Electronics Industry and manage very cutting edge products
<DIV></DIV>> > >that push the limits of manufacturing. This leads to new ways of
<DIV></DIV>> > >manufacturing. I managed a program a couple of years ago where we put a
<DIV></DIV>> > >.018 inch cube electronic device on a .008 inch PCB board at over 100K
<DIV></DIV>> > >assemblies per month. This would not have been necessary if the size of
<DIV></DIV>> > >the product was increased. Comparing size and performance of electronics
<DIV></DIV>> > >could be compared to advancing technology in Pattern Plane design. We
<DIV></DIV>> > >would not be where we are today if cost and space was not a concern for
<DIV></DIV>> > >electronic consumers. Everyone would have a PC the size of a closet and
<DIV></DIV>> > >working on a 286 Turbo w/ EGA. Very high power for the consumer in the
<DIV></DIV>> > >mid-late 80's.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >So, if we have gone as far as we can in advancing technologies with
<DIV></DIV>> > >Pattern Design and Performance. I would agree to change the limit, -but
<DIV></DIV>> > >not remove it-. I just don't think we are at that point.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >Again, Twisted perception from a twisted mind.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >Larry
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>> > >From: <mailto:tkeithb@attbi.com>Keith Black
<DIV></DIV>> > >To: <mailto:discussion@nsrca.org>discussion@nsrca.org
<DIV></DIV>> > >Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:14 AM
<DIV></DIV>> > >Subject: Re: Weight Limit
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >Larry,
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >Honestly I haven't decided which side of this issue I'm on. Could you
<DIV></DIV>> > >explain why you think increasing the weight limit would negatively effect
<DIV></DIV>> > >the goal of recruiting new members, growing pattern and advancing designs
<DIV></DIV>> > >and technology? I don't see the correlation.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >Thanks,
<DIV></DIV>> > >Keith
<DIV></DIV>> >
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