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<DIV><SPAN class=820251310-17112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Bob,
Buddy,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=820251310-17112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
Silent Majority did speak. They chose to say NOTHING! The survey results
were posted on this list. Buddy, I sent you the entire survey results, remember?
You asked if it would be possible to get the paper ballots so that you could
check for yourself. I told you that Eric had them and you would have to call
him.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=820251310-17112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=820251310-17112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
results concerning weight was;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=820251310-17112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><SPAN class=820251310-17112002>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Question-61</SPAN></B>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Should the
overall weight limit be raised<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">YES
= 74____<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>NO = 111_____<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>RESULT
= NO CHANGE____</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"></SPAN> </DIV>
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class=820251310-17112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>and
;</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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<H6><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT
face=Arial>Question-63<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></H6>
<H6><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Should
we allow different weights in Sportsman and Intermediate. <BR></SPAN><FONT
size=2>YES = 71____<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>NO = 198_____<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>RESULT = NO CHANGE____</FONT></FONT></H6>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=820251310-17112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It
clearly seems that those who bothered to respond did not want to raise the
weight limits. Go ahead and take another survey (at your cost) and I'm afraid
you will end up with the same results.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=820251310-17112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=820251310-17112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>At
almost every contest that I have attended, there have been planes over weight,
including the Nats. There was no fuss made about it, unless you were in the top
5 at the Nats. I'm afraid that weight is not that big of an issue to the
ordinary Pattern flyer. Most of them didn't bother to vote. So maybe we should
drop this "dead horse". What ya think?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=820251310-17112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=820251310-17112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Tom
W.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Buddy
Brammer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:33 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Weight<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P>Bob</P>
<P>My thoughts exactly. Unfortinately the voice of the silent majority is
never heard, so we proceed down the path of decline and wonder how and why so
few can do so little so slow.</P>
<P>Buddy<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: "Bob Pastorello" <RCAEROBOB@COX.NET>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: discussion@nsrca.org
<DIV></DIV>>To: <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: Weight
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:41:06 -0600
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Good point, Troy. Your post illustrates the ineffectiveness of
the current system, and the disinformation that abounds.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Bob Pastorello
<DIV></DIV>>NSRCA 199, AMA 46373
<DIV></DIV>>rcaerobob@cox.net
<DIV></DIV>>www.rcaerobats.net
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>> From: Troy Newman
<DIV></DIV>> To: discussion
<DIV></DIV>> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:21 AM
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: Re: Weight
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> I guess the just of this argument over the last few weeks is
that many of you would like to see a weight limit change.....
<DIV></DIV>> This being the case let me arm you guys with some information.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> The Next rules cycle begins in 2005. SO you have to have your
proposals submitted by Oct 1, 2005. They will take effect in 2008
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> Send them in.....You already missed the current cycle thinking
that someone was going to do it for you. Well nobody did...To my
knowledge......Maybe I missed it you the emails on this topic have gotten
pretty scarce not too many people have a comment do they?
<DIV></DIV>> <VBG>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> The whole idea boils down to people want the NSRCA to do it
for them...The problem is you can't get a group like ours to agree on
anything.....Look at all the results in the survey.....few were large majority
decisions...most were in the area of 60-40 or even 51-49........
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> Why wait for someone to do it for you. Every single AMA member
has the right to submit a proposal....The rules and forms are available form
the AMA web site and the procedure is in the Rule book first few pages.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> If you feel strongly about it do it yourself.....If you wait
for someone else to do the results may not be what you want.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> We don't have a choice in the realm of F3A....We have a couple
votes but the majority of the world has other ideas and concerns. In the USA
we control our own destiny.....make what rules you guys want to.....Te process
is simple submit a proposal to the AMA and then lobby your voting contest
Board members.....Simple eh?
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> Troy Newman
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>> From: Roger Stewart King
<DIV></DIV>> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 7:41 AM
<DIV></DIV>> To: NSRCA Discussion
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: Weight
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> Destination Class: FAI
<DIV></DIV>> Destination Weight: 5 Kilograms/ 11 pounds
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> Masters: 5.5 Kilograms/ 12.12 pounds or just 12pounds
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> All other classes 6 Kilograms/ 13.22 pounds or just 13 pounds
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> I like the idea of a destination weight joined with a
destination class. Keep two meter
<DIV></DIV>> rule for all classes. Thanks.
<DIV></DIV>> Roger King
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