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<P>Tom</P>
<P>If you remimber correctly I told you that I wanted information NOT the vote summary which I was well aware of. And agree with. The Information that I was trying to aquire had it do with how the classes voted and has nothing to do with any disagreement with the final results of the vote.I have used the organization by voting on the issues as they were presented. I have and will continue to express my opinion when I think it will be beneficial. There are no dead horses. because new ideas, the study of problems that we face and the search for solutions to them in an effort to improve pattern is in all our best intrest. If you are telling me to shut up, The answer is respectfully NO.</P>
<P>Buddy <BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: "Thomas C. Weedon" <WEEDON@WWNET.NET>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: discussion@nsrca.org
<DIV></DIV>>To: <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: Weight
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 05:24:36 -0500
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Bob, Buddy,
<DIV></DIV>>The Silent Majority did speak. They chose to say NOTHING! The survey
<DIV></DIV>>results were posted on this list. Buddy, I sent you the entire survey
<DIV></DIV>>results, remember? You asked if it would be possible to get the paper
<DIV></DIV>>ballots so that you could check for yourself. I told you that Eric had them
<DIV></DIV>>and you would have to call him.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>The results concerning weight was;
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Question-61
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Should the overall weight limit be raised
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>YES = 74____ NO = 111_____ RESULT = NO CHANGE____
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>and ;
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Question-63
<DIV></DIV>>Should we allow different weights in Sportsman and Intermediate.
<DIV></DIV>>YES = 71____ NO = 198_____ RESULT = NO CHANGE____
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>It clearly seems that those who bothered to respond did not want to raise
<DIV></DIV>>the weight limits. Go ahead and take another survey (at your cost) and I'm
<DIV></DIV>>afraid you will end up with the same results.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>At almost every contest that I have attended, there have been planes over
<DIV></DIV>>weight, including the Nats. There was no fuss made about it, unless you were
<DIV></DIV>>in the top 5 at the Nats. I'm afraid that weight is not that big of an issue
<DIV></DIV>>to the ordinary Pattern flyer. Most of them didn't bother to vote. So maybe
<DIV></DIV>>we should drop this "dead horse". What ya think?
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Tom W.
<DIV></DIV>> -----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>> From: discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]On
<DIV></DIV>>Behalf Of Buddy Brammer
<DIV></DIV>> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:33 PM
<DIV></DIV>> To: discussion@nsrca.org
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: Re: Weight
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> Bob
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> My thoughts exactly. Unfortinately the voice of the silent majority is
<DIV></DIV>>never heard, so we proceed down the path of decline and wonder how and why
<DIV></DIV>>so few can do so little so slow.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> Buddy
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> >From: "Bob Pastorello"
<DIV></DIV>> >Reply-To: discussion@nsrca.org
<DIV></DIV>> >To:
<DIV></DIV>> >Subject: Re: Weight
<DIV></DIV>> >Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:41:06 -0600
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >Good point, Troy. Your post illustrates the ineffectiveness of the
<DIV></DIV>>current system, and the disinformation that abounds.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >Bob Pastorello
<DIV></DIV>> >NSRCA 199, AMA 46373
<DIV></DIV>> >rcaerobob@cox.net
<DIV></DIV>> >www.rcaerobats.net
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > ----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>> > From: Troy Newman
<DIV></DIV>> > To: discussion
<DIV></DIV>> > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:21 AM
<DIV></DIV>> > Subject: Re: Weight
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > I guess the just of this argument over the last few weeks is that many
<DIV></DIV>>of you would like to see a weight limit change.....
<DIV></DIV>> > This being the case let me arm you guys with some information.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > The Next rules cycle begins in 2005. SO you have to have your proposals
<DIV></DIV>>submitted by Oct 1, 2005. They will take effect in 2008
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Send them in.....You already missed the current cycle thinking that
<DIV></DIV>>someone was going to do it for you. Well nobody did...To my
<DIV></DIV>>knowledge......Maybe I missed it you the emails on this topic have gotten
<DIV></DIV>>pretty scarce not too many people have a comment do they?
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > The whole idea boils down to people want the NSRCA to do it for
<DIV></DIV>>them...The problem is you can't get a group like ours to agree on
<DIV></DIV>>anything.....Look at all the results in the survey.....few were large
<DIV></DIV>>majority decisions...most were in the area of 60-40 or even 51-49........
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Why wait for someone to do it for you. Every single AMA member has the
<DIV></DIV>>right to submit a proposal....The rules and forms are available form the AMA
<DIV></DIV>>web site and the procedure is in the Rule book first few pages.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > If you feel strongly about it do it yourself.....If you wait for someone
<DIV></DIV>>else to do the results may not be what you want.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > We don't have a choice in the realm of F3A....We have a couple votes but
<DIV></DIV>>the majority of the world has other ideas and concerns. In the USA we
<DIV></DIV>>control our own destiny.....make what rules you guys want to.....Te process
<DIV></DIV>>is simple submit a proposal to the AMA and then lobby your voting contest
<DIV></DIV>>Board members.....Simple eh?
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Troy Newman
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > ----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>> > From: Roger Stewart King
<DIV></DIV>> > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 7:41 AM
<DIV></DIV>> > To: NSRCA Discussion
<DIV></DIV>> > Subject: Weight
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Destination Class: FAI
<DIV></DIV>> > Destination Weight: 5 Kilograms/ 11 pounds
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Masters: 5.5 Kilograms/ 12.12 pounds or just 12pounds
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > All other classes 6 Kilograms/ 13.22 pounds or just 13 pounds
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > I like the idea of a destination weight joined with a destination class.
<DIV></DIV>>Keep two meter
<DIV></DIV>> > rule for all classes. Thanks.
<DIV></DIV>> > Roger King
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
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