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<DIV><SPAN class=660024900-21112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Buddy,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=660024900-21112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
posted all the rules proposals on October 9th, 2002 on this discussion list. You
should have gotten them then. Therefore you didn't need to wait for the
K-Factor. Just wanted to help out knowing that the K-factor was in trouble at
that time. I think it's fixed now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=660024900-21112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Tom</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Buddy
Brammer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: rules change
decodeing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P>Tom </P>
<P>I stand corrected for the second time and you are correct.</P>
<P>Buddy<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: "Thomas C. Weedon" <WEEDON@WWNET.NET>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: discussion@nsrca.org
<DIV></DIV>>To: <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: rules change decodeing
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:06:01 -0500
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Buddy,
<DIV></DIV>>You forgot the rule change to remove the "No Retract" from
Sportsman Class.
<DIV></DIV>>Tom W.
<DIV></DIV>> -----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>> From: discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]On
<DIV></DIV>>Behalf Of Buddy Brammer
<DIV></DIV>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:31 AM
<DIV></DIV>> To: discussion@nsrca.org
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: rules change decodeing
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> If anyone is interested
<DIV></DIV>> After receiving the latest K-Factor and studying the results
of the rules
<DIV></DIV>>change request survey and trying to decipher the the results I
thought it
<DIV></DIV>>may be nice to compact the results into a readable and
understandable
<DIV></DIV>>summary. This summary is my interpetation of the results and if
I am wrong
<DIV></DIV>>please correct me.
<DIV></DIV>> As a SIG we (NSRCA) are asking AMA to consider the following
changes and
<DIV></DIV>>clarification to the Pattern rules.
<DIV></DIV>> 1. Remove the maneuever schedules from the rule book and place
them in an
<DIV></DIV>>Annex
<DIV></DIV>> 2.Allow the NSRCA to decide what maneuevers should be flown
and placed in
<DIV></DIV>>the Annex
<DIV></DIV>> 3. Maneuver schedules used will be decided by a vote of the
membership of
<DIV></DIV>>the NARCA on a set of proposed schedules.(Who will prepare the
set's of
<DIV></DIV>>proposed schedules has not been deturmined. the vote on
question 4 seems to
<DIV></DIV>>indicate that the membership does not want the NSRCA board to
do it.but is
<DIV></DIV>>not conclusive due to the lack of a 60% majority vote.)? The
proposed
<DIV></DIV>>schedules will provide stability in the Sportsman and
Intermediate class
<DIV></DIV>> 4. Any new schedules should be structured as building block
schedules,
<DIV></DIV>>however each proposed schedule should stand on it's own at a
set degree of
<DIV></DIV>>difficulty reguardless of maneuevers employed
<DIV></DIV>> 5 The schedules in all classes will potentially change every
three years.
<DIV></DIV>> 6.Change the Intermediate schedule to include the 45-degree
down line
<DIV></DIV>>positive snap and immelmanturn to the end of the current
sequence.
<DIV></DIV>> 7. Change the masters sequence as approved in question 28.
<DIV></DIV>> 8. Add the generial defenition in all classes that straight
and level
<DIV></DIV>>flight means flight parallel to the flight line at constant
altitude with
<DIV></DIV>>wings level.
<DIV></DIV>> 9. Clariify the downgrade system for multi-radii manuevers.
<DIV></DIV>> 10. Change the downgrade description for spins to allow the
pilot to
<DIV></DIV>>point the plane down after the spin.
<DIV></DIV>> 11.Add to the spin entry definition to read, stall may occur
while still
<DIV></DIV>>having forward progress relative to the ground .
<DIV></DIV>> 12. Define the end box spin entry as point of stall.
<DIV></DIV>> 13 Clarify any downgrades for errors less than 15 degrees.
<DIV></DIV>> 14 Clarify that centered maneuevers must have the same
altitude for entry
<DIV></DIV>>and exit if that is a condition of the specific maneuever being
performed.
<DIV></DIV>> 15. Specify that there it is not a requirement that all
manuevers within a
<DIV></DIV>>sequence have to be performed at the same top and bottom
altitude. ( but the
<DIV></DIV>>same top and bottom altitude does apply to individual
maneuvers)
<DIV></DIV>> 16. Clarify that takeoff is a centered maneuver.
<DIV></DIV>> 17. Clarify that there is a landing zone and landings are only
downgrded
<DIV></DIV>>for centering when outside of the 30 meter landing zone.
<DIV></DIV>> 18. Define that judging starts 15 meters before comencement of
the first
<DIV></DIV>>manuever after box entry and ends 15 meters after the last
manuever followed
<DIV></DIV>>by box exit.and that line excursion within the sequence will
result in
<DIV></DIV>>downgrades on the next manuever.
<DIV></DIV>> 19. Correct the rule book description ie. two rolls.
<DIV></DIV>> 20. Add an exception to the rules that states that people who
have not
<DIV></DIV>>aquired or cannot aquire the necessary skill level will not be
forced to
<DIV></DIV>>move up. However all others will be forced to move up according
to the point
<DIV></DIV>>system. except if you are 60 years old or older you can fly any
class you
<DIV></DIV>>want to fly.
<DIV></DIV>> 21. Allow AMA legal Airplanes to fly in the Sportsman Class.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> There seems to be a contradiction between the results because
of the 60%
<DIV></DIV>>majority required (Reference Vote results Question 51 and
Question 57) but
<DIV></DIV>>it seems that we are requesting that the point system will
allow a three
<DIV></DIV>>year moving window and only the current three years point
accumilation will
<DIV></DIV>>effect a move to the next class?
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> Pardon my poor english and spelling and if I missed an item or
if my
<DIV></DIV>>interpetation is not correct let me know. my eyes and brain are
so scrambled
<DIV></DIV>>after trying to figure this out that it is entirely possible.
<DIV></DIV>> Buddy
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
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