<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">There's a number of interesting side issues here, but I'd like to ask the group how you feel about feedback.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Personally, I am thankful and gracious to get feedback from any judge about my performance at any time. I even ask my friends and off duty judges to judge my flight on occasion. One contest is worth 20 practice sessions. However, giving feedback is a touchier business. Not everyone feels the way I do. It's common in our district for judges to comment after a flight (if there's time) but not so common it's expected. After some experiences following suit, I changed during last season. Although I'd like to comment, in the spirit of helping my fellow pilot, I refrain for the most part. Exceptions: first contest fliers that are learning the ropes and close friends that I know well and I know appreciate it. On others, I will place some cryptic notes next to the score to indicate my feedback. Often the pilot will come by after the round and we can talk in a more relaxed atmosphere and I can feel out !
how best to speak. THis only seems to work for Advanced class on down, since the upper class's maneuvers come too close together to make extra notes.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> THis seemed to work well, but it was a bit of a unique approach and I wondered if you all think this is a good or bad idea?</font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><b>"Rick Wallace" <rickwallace45@hotmail.com></b></font>
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<p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">01/23/2003 04:41 AM</font>
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<br><font size=2><tt>I'm a fairly new pattern pilot, and welcome the comments of more experienced<br>
pilots anytime I can get 'em, especially since they're pilots too, and are<br>
virtually always more experienced than I am.<br>
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<br><font size=2><tt>I look at immediate post-flight conversation w/ the judges as a way to<br>
improve my flying. I'll routinely turn to the judges after I land and ask<br>
them for their comments.<br>
Sometimes they'll let me know that they'd rather not comment, and I thank<br>
them and leave. Often, though, one or more will be willing to give his<br>
impressions and perceptions of the flight - this can be as valuable as any<br>
other input.<br>
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<br><font size=2><tt>Of course, if the next guy already has his engine running, and is waiting to<br>
step into the box then there's no discussion- -it's his flight line.<br>
Otherwise, why not get the mini-critique?<br>
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<br><font size=2><tt>By the same token when I judge, when a competitor *asks* for feedback (and<br>
only then) after his flight, I'll give it (usually deferring to the more<br>
senior judge if there is one) when there's time before the next pilot's up.<br>
I trust the other judge not to be influenced (not to be swayed in his<br>
judgiung the rest of the round) by my comments, as I try not to be swayed by<br>
his comments.<br>
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<br><font size=2><tt>We pattern guys don't fly together enough as it is, and should take max<br>
advantage of the chances to help each other and to be helped.<br>
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<br><font size=2><tt>My $.02 -<br>
Rick<br>
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>I recently attended a competition in which the conduct of a particular<br>
>judge<br>
>left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. As I turned towards the judges<br>
>after<br>
>completing my flight this particular person (experienced F3A judge) made a<br>
>number of comments about my flight being flown too far out and that he<br>
>docked several points per manoeuvre. These comments were made in the<br>
>presence of the other two judges.<br>
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>I am not going to argue that I was or wasn't. The concern I had with this<br>
>behaviour was he could have influenced the other judges to think the same<br>
>as<br>
>they had less experience. This type of conduct should not be allowed to<br>
>happen. Judges should be able to judge a flight based on their own<br>
>perception and interpretation of rules etc. If this particular person<br>
>thought that I should be docked 2 points per manoeuvre then that should be<br>
>his opinion only.<br>
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>The issue here is that most of us on this list judge and fly aerobatics.<br>
>Everyone deserves to be judged fairly and unbiased by people who have their<br>
>own perception on how a flight should look and should be flown. Why have 3<br>
>or 5 judges?<br>
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>If you looked at this incident from another angle some of my competitors<br>
>may<br>
>say that I was being coached by a judge which could raise another set of<br>
>problems.<br>
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>All in all, the fact he said anything was wrong.<br>
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>Just my thoughts<br>
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>Peter<br>
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