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Lance:
<br>Thanks for the math refresher. I thought it was called a subtraction
of 2.<G>
<p>Bill Glaze
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<br><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>The interaction of two numbers
in this way is called "division".</font></font>
<p><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>--Lance</font></font>
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<td><b><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-2>Bill Glaze <billglaze@triad.rr.com></font></font></b>
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<p><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-2>02/03/2003 06:08 PM</font></font>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman"><font size=+0>Gray:</font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman"><font size=+0>What happens if the plane
with a number which is up, hits one whose number has not yet come?<G></font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman"><font size=+0>Bill Glaze</font></font>
<p><font face="Times New Roman"><font size=+0>Gray E Fowler wrote:</font></font>
<p><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>Yeah...thats what I meant.
I have seen a lot more planes go down due to other problems-like forgeting
to put on wing bolts, radio problems etc. I bet battery/switch (electrical)
is way higher than mid airs. My only point, bad statistics and all is that
if you put in special rules for everything that could happen to protect
a plane it would bog down a contest that already seems to move at a snails
pace in 100F weather.</font></font>
<p><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>As far as losing planes goes it
all comes down to the fact that every plane has a NUMBER and when that
number is called that plane goes down.</font></font>
<br><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>It is good to be in the kit business.</font></font>
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<p><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>Gray Fowler</font></font>
<br><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>Principal Chemical Engineer</font></font>
<br><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>Composites Engineering</font></font>
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<td WIDTH="50%"><b><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-2>"Keith Black"
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<p><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-2>02/01/2003 01:08 AM</font></font>
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<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Gray, your number of 0.08% is your
probability of having a mid-air "per flight".</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Another way to look at this is:</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>6 planes involved in a mid-airs in
4 years</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>That's 1.5 planes per year lost.</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>So 1.5 out of 25 pilots loose a plane
each year</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>That's a 6% chance of loosing a plane
during a year of flying.</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>My guess is that if you had a 6% chance
of having an auto accident per year you'd never get insurance!</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>In other words, I need to get this
new Aries finished so I can get my next one started ;-)</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Keith</font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman"><font size=+0>----- Original Message -----</font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman"><font size=+0><b>From:</b> <u><font color="#0000FF"><a href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com">Gray
E Fowler</a></font></u></font></font>
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<br><font face="Times New Roman"><font size=+0><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January
31, 2003 8:24 AM</font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman"><font size=+0><b>Subject:</b> RE: Avoidance
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<p><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>I understand this discussion if
it made mid-airs less frequent, but look at the numbers first prior to
really putting something in that slows down a contest or adds other inconvenience.</font></font>
<br><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>This is my personal experience.
I have seen 3 mid airs at a contest in 4 years. On the AVERAGE we have
25 flyers at 6 rounds per contest, 6 contests per year. That is 3600 flights/3
mid airs or 0.08%.</font></font>
<p><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>No one likes to lose a plane (
happened to me during practice-it was Lance's fault and that makes me feel
better) but no one likes to drive to a contest and not get a maximum of
flights in either. Calling out avoidance and bailing just does not seem
to work with me, as Lance mentioned if you are gonna hit it will be a big
surprize-no one can call you off in time. The reality probably is that
at an I MAC event if someone bailed they were close but not really going
to hit. The argument about lots more money does not work either because
of the time required to build a plane outweighs the cost(for most). Also
if money was a legitimate argument then since pattern planes only cost
$2-3K instead of $5-6K IMAC then we could accept the risk. Pattern contests
in D6 always try to run rapid and smooth where as the IMAC guys are allowed
to land and re-fuel after round 1-still on the clock, then go up for round
2. They just do not seem to be as concerned!! about packing in the flights.
The! "weather" reason is strange too as if lightning or something appear
the CD would shut down (except Gene-he most likely would yell "stay out
there you weenie.....you need to learn to fly in all conditions")-not the
call of the flyer. If it got "dangerously windy" or something else-geeez
its a hobby....dump the round and save your stinkin' plane-once again if
the flyer could make this call it could wreak havoc and even spur on momentum
to increase the weight limit or some other sensitive rule-issue(thats a
dry joke!).</font></font>
<p><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>Consider yourself a soldier-Take
the Patton attitude, some of you are gonna die, ( or the Full Metal Jacket
attitude "better you than me") the rest of us live patternly happily after
ever.</font></font>
<p><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>And NO I do not think I am Karma
destined for a mid-air. Statistically speaking I a clear because I already
had my mid-air (except for the reality that the statistical facts say my
chances for a midair are the same every time I go up at a contest). So
I hope-better you than me.</font></font>
<p><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>Have a nice weekend</font></font>
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<p><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>Gray Fowler</font></font>
<br><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>Principal Chemical Engineer</font></font>
<br><font face="sans-serif"><font size=-1>Composites Engineering</font></font>
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