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<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks
to all those who replied directly and through the list.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>My RTF
weight without fuel is 9 pound.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>And
OOps, I forgot to say what the power plant is. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It is
not a 120 size plane, although I heard several flying with YS120.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It is
FAT for it's class with 5 & 1/8 inches width of fuse where the front of
wing goeses on and 4.75" for the back of the wing. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
believe this is wider than Desire 120 and Summit 120.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>(I've
been saying 4" before. No idea why I thought it was
4")</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
rudder post (13" high) at the bottom is 1 inch thick.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>When I
compared the fuse with Desire 120, it was almost same height.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Height
at the back of the canopy is 9.5 inches.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>There
are a few pictures of this plane at my homepage.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="http://www.geocities.com/beaton90/">http://www.geocities.com/beaton90/</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It is
a BeatOn 90. 67.7" (68") span & length. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>YS
91AC, MK type rail mount, Hatori header w/ ES Carbon.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
prototype on a magazine review also had similar powerplant setup and only
weighed 3570g (7.75 pound) with Urethane painting one fuse.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003></SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>I<SPAN class=093045919-20022003> don't think I can
repaint the fuse to loose a lot of weight.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>If I
build a new wing, I am hoping to save at least 100grams from 1160g.
<BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I still have to weigh the foam core + the balsa + other woods that goes
in the wing. <BR><BR>The retracts w/ 136G(165g) + 7005 servos with extensions
(100g) + centralhobbies axles w/ wheels (22g) = 287g + about 12g for servo
screws. that is about 300g. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I was
also suggested for using Bolly carbon gears and pants, but weight saving is less
than 10 grams.<BR></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The wing has
belly pan supports like skirt and pipe mount.</FONT></SPAN><BR>Will I be
able to build a one-piece, covered wing of 837 ~ 850 sq-in under 760g w/ belly
pan support and pipe mount? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093045919-20022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Ihncheol Park</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Rcmaster199@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:31
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Weight savings
help!!<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0
face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">I thought Icheol said the fuse weighed
2870 grams, RTF. That's not 10 pounds.<BR><BR>It's more like 6 lbs 5 ozs. The
powerplant weighs around 40% that weight, (YS 120 and its exhaust ). Another 3
ozs for the mount and he has 45% of the weight, tied up in the powerplant
alone.<BR><BR>Icheol, How much does this beastie weigh RTF anyway? >From the
individual weights you indicated it should be a little under 9 pounds. Not too
bad for an 840 sq in wing. Lighter would fly better, But, have you flown it
already at this weight and you don't like it? Wassup?<BR><BR>Matt
Kebabjian<BR><BR><BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
TYPE="CITE">Subj:<B>Re: Weight savings help!! </B><BR>Date:2/19/2003 6:22:43
AM Eastern Standard Time<BR>From:<A
href="mailto:amad2terry@juno.com">amad2terry@juno.com</A><BR>Reply-to:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR>To:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR>CC:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><I>Sent from
the Internet </I><BR><BR><BR><BR>The problem is in the fuze! At nearly 10
pounds! In the wing you will be<BR>hard pressed to save more than 2 or 3
ounces. My last 2 retract ships<BR>were in that ball park for size and the
weight was very close to the 2#<BR>8oz you have. but the fuzelages were
under 7#. You are ot going to save<BR>3# by repainting, unless you used a
lead based paint and put it on 1/4<BR>inch thick!<BR><BR>I think you are
stuck, and the only way out is to build a new fuze.<BR>Changing spinners
will save you about 3/4 of an ounce!<BR><BR>Terry T<BR><BR>On Tue, 18 Feb
2003 03:32:32 -0800 "Ihncheol Park"
<PatternFlyer@msn.com><BR>writes:<BR>> Hi, All,<BR>> <BR>> I
am in the process of trying to reduce weight of my plane <BR>>
including<BR>> building a new wing with foam core, replacing servos with
less <BR>> weight,<BR>> smaller battery etc.<BR>> <BR>> How much
can a wing weigh if it is 837 sq-in 67.7" (68") dual servos <BR>>
and<BR>> glassed in the center sections top & bottom?<BR>>
<BR>> My wing right now weighs 1160g (40oz) with 136G, Supra 60 size
<BR>> retracts, 2x<BR>> 55mm Tettra wheels, Central hobbies axles, 2x
7005 servos with <BR>> central<BR>> hobbies pushrod, MK horns, and
adjusters. Kinda too heavy?<BR>> <BR>> My fuse weighs 2870g RTF.
Really heavy for 68". I am not sure how <BR>> much I<BR>> can save
from repainting the fuse because I have no data on the <BR>>
weight<BR>> before priming and/or painting.<BR>> <BR>> Does anyone
know the weight of 2.5" FAI 120-cut, Lightened back <BR>> plate
TT<BR>> spinner weight without the screw?<BR>> <BR>> I use 2.5"
standard 120-cut that weighs 56g w/ screw, 51.03g <BR>> wo/screw.<BR>>
How much can I save?<BR>> <BR>> My battery is Nicad 1700mAh w/ JR
connector 140g.<BR>> This runs 1x 8411, 2x 7005, 1x Hitec 225, 1x 8231,
1x Futaba 136G<BR>> <BR>> What other type of battery in smaller or
lighter weight can I go <BR>> with?<BR>> I use Alpha 4 as primary
charger.<BR>>
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