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Ron & all:
<br>They notice; they really notice. Awhile back, we were going to
put on a pattern meet at our field, after the club disallowed IMAC because
of the noise. I happen to be the only pattern flyer in the club,
and the members have all heard and seen my pattern planes.
<br>I asked: "What are we to do about our rule which states no flying
until noon on Sunday?"
<br>Just about everyone in the club meeting quickly said "Well, that's
for sport stuff. Pattern airplanes don't bother the neighbors."
<br>I suspect that isn't an uncommon attitude, at fields where noise is
the main nuisance.
<br>If there happens to be an influential sorehead in the area.......well,
the airplanes could be silent and still not be welcome.
<p>Bill Glaze
<p>ronlock wrote:
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<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>I'm
with you on a lot of this. I too, wish the
pattern example</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>would have
a bigger impact on the rest of the communities.</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>There
are some subtle improvements, more clubs now have</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>noise
specs than 15 years ago. Several sport engines, while</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>still
not "quiet", are quieter than they were 15 years ago.</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>There
is more quiet related mufflers, mounts, props, etc. on</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>the
market than years ago. Mainly I'm supporting the good</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>example
we are putting out there.</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Later,
Ron Lockhart</font></font>
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<a href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com" title="Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</a></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 19, 2003 1:22
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Quiet pattern planes</div>
<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Yea, yea. I was there at the inception
of "QUIET" too. And cut my teeth on it as well</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>What I'm saying is that</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>with the exception of a couple gliders
and a few electrics, hardly anyone else is trying to go real quiet. And
the pattern community has been preaching it and livimg it for 15+ years
now.</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>The message isn't getting through to
the sport flier especially when he shows up with the biggest, baddest noise
box around. How can he do that? Well, it's available, thats how. To belabor
the obvious, just look in any magazine, including the AMA's own. The AD
$ pay their bills on one hand, and cause their demise of their (our) flying
fields on the other. Go figure!!</font></font>
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<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Matt Kebabjian</font></font>
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TYPE="CITE"><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Subj:<b>Re:
Quiet pattern planes</b></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Date:4/19/2003 12:50:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>From:<a href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net">ronlock@comcast.net</a></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Reply-to:<a href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>To:<a href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a></font></font>
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<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>I'm proud to be part of the pattern
community that led the way to</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>quiet high performance
aerobatics. The benefits of quiet are difficult</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>to quantify,
but I think there are many.</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Later,
Ron Lockhart</font></font></font>
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<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1><b>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:RUDDERCABL@aol.com">RUDDERCABL@aol.com</a></font></font></font>
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<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1><b>Sent:</b>
Saturday, April 19, 2003 12:55 AM</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1><b>Subject:</b>
Re: Quiet pattern planes</font></font></font>
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<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>In a message
dated 4/18/2003 4:39:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <a href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</a>
writes:</font></font></font>
<br>
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TYPE="CITE"><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Folks,
I think we may have been duped on this noise thing. I love my stealthy
pattern plane, but nobody else does. unless I'm flying alone, nobody
else cares whetehr I hear my plane or not!</font></font></font></blockquote>
<p><br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>!</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1> Matt</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1> I don't
think we have been "duped" on having quiet planes. There was a time in
my life that hearing screaming engines was a joy , however , I now much
more prefer the lower volume of our planes . To me , the tone
of a muffled four stroke at full throttle is the sweetest sound in our
hobby .</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>I agree that
nobody else cares whether or not I can hear my plane . On the other hand
, should noise become an issue with the nieghbors around our field , everyone
would care whether or not I could hear my plane.</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Robert Gainey</font></font></font></blockquote>
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