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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Good point, Lance!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:59
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Advanced sequence ?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Eric is right about the AMA
rule book being vague on this point, however, the judging committee provided a
more detailed interpretation that should be used. This is why our nsrca
judging committee exists. At 2002 Nats, the judging committee
clarification was read/reviewed with all the Advanced pilots at the pilot
meeting to be sure that everyone knew that we would be judged based on the
NSRCA clarification to the AMA rule, not just the AMA rule.</FONT>
<BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>I think the clarification is judgeable
and clear. I would assume all CDs would communicate the same information
at local contests, because it is clear that this is the criteria used at
Nats. See the NSRCA web site for details.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>--Lance</FONT> <BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<TD><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>"Henderson,Eric"
<Eric.Henderson@gartner.com></B></FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=1>Sent by: discussion-request@nsrca.org</FONT>
<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>04/23/2003 05:13 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=1>Please respond to discussion</FONT> <BR></P>
<TD><FONT face=Arial size=1> </FONT><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=1> To:
<discussion@nsrca.org></FONT> <BR><FONT
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Subject: RE: Advanced sequence
?</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR><BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=2>When this schedule was submitted (7/99) the spin description was not
written in detail. There had been, and were, existing down-lines after spins
with 1/4 loop with 1/2 roll exits. I have seen some odd interpretations
about how long the down-line should be and when the 1/2 roll should be
performed. </FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>From a judging point of view there is
no AMA rule book specification of how long the down-line has to be. I have not
seen a rule book specification of any required horizontal line length other
than an exit line. Seeing as how it is the last maneuver in the box the only
real limit is getting it done before you leave the box. :-)</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
color=blue size=2>Is there an AMA rule book description that I have missed
that gives a better judging guideline???</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=2>Regards,</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2>Eric.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
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<BR><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<B><BR>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf
Of </B>Woodward James R Civ 412 TW/DRP (Test Ops)<B><BR>Sent:</B> Wednesday,
April 23, 2003 5:16 PM<B><BR>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<B><BR>Subject:</B>
RE: Advanced sequence ?<BR></FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT> <BR><A
href="http://modelaircraft.org/templates/ama/PDF-files/Rulebook/rc-aero2002.PDF"><FONT
face=Arial color=blue
size=2><U>http://modelaircraft.org/templates/ama/PDF-files/Rulebook/rc-aero2002.PDF</U></FONT></A>
<BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#000080 size=2>Also, I'd add follow this link and read the maneuver
descriptions. It is more than good reading if it has been a
while......</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2>Jim W.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is a 2 1/2 turn spin, push
to horizontal, then half roll to upright.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>-----
Original Message ----- </FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>From:</B>
</FONT><A href="mailto:tomanekw@saic-abingdon.com"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=2><U>Tomanek, Wojtek</U></FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>
</FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>To:</B> </FONT><A
href="mailto:'discussion@nsrca.org'"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=2><U>'discussion@nsrca.org'</U></FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>
</FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:22
PM</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>Subject:</B> RE: Advanced sequence
?</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>Wow, that is a diffrent interpretation of how I
have been flying it. On the NSRCA call sheet the manuever is described as " 2
1/2 turn spin with a half roll out". Silly me I have been practicing a 2 1/2
turn spin with an established downline then half roll in the downline followed
by more downline (hope I started real high) then an upright exit. Am I to
understand that the actual manuever is "2 1/2 turn spin exit inverted half
roll out" to landing? </FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Does
there exist a set of drawings for these manuevers somewhere? My old AMA rule
book does not have them.<BR><B><I><BR>"Tomanek, Wojtek"
<tomanekw@saic-abingdon.com></I></B> wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#000080 size=2>I believe that it does not matter, when coming out of the
spin you need to pause going down, then level the plane (90 deg) to a
horizontal flight, then pause (straight inverted flight) and then roll.
The pause shall not be larger than the radius of the downline to
horizontal transition but it has to be there unlike in the Immelman
</FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000080 size=3>"2 1/2 turn spin
exit inverted half roll out" to landing?" = correct, but better announce that
landing</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT
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