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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric:<BR><BR>You are correct, as far as I can
tell. The spin length, including the line after the spin is up to the
competitor, with the exception that the line after the spin must be long enough
for the judge to establish wing position to properly judge the proper amount of
rotation of the spin. </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=Eric.Henderson@gartner.com
href="mailto:Eric.Henderson@gartner.com">Henderson,Eric</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:13
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Advanced sequence ?</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=829095621-23042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>When
this schedule was submitted (7/99) the spin description was not written in
detail. There had been, and were, existing down-lines after spins with
1/4 loop with 1/2 roll exits. I have seen some odd interpretations
about how long the down-line should be and when the 1/2 roll should be
performed. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=829095621-23042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>From
a judging point of view there is no AMA rule book specification of how long
the down-line has to be. I have not seen a rule book specification
of any required horizontal line length other than an exit line. Seeing as how
it is the last maneuver in the box the only real limit is getting it done
before you leave the box. :-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=829095621-23042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Is
there an AMA rule book description that I have missed that gives a
better judging guideline???</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=829095621-23042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=829095621-23042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Eric.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Woodward James R Civ
412 TW/DRP (Test Ops)<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:16
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Advanced sequence
?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://modelaircraft.org/templates/ama/PDF-files/Rulebook/rc-aero2002.PDF">http://modelaircraft.org/templates/ama/PDF-files/Rulebook/rc-aero2002.PDF</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Also, I'd add follow
this link and read the maneuver descriptions. It is more than good
reading if it has been a while......</SPAN></FONT></P>
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W.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It is a 2 1/2 turn spin, push to
horizontal, then half roll to upright.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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title=tomanekw@saic-abingdon.com
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wednesday, April 23,
2003</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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Advanced sequence ?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Wow, that is a diffrent interpretation
of how I have been flying it. On the NSRCA call sheet the manuever is
described as " 2 1/2 turn spin with a half roll out". Silly me I have been
practicing a 2 1/2 turn spin with an established downline then half roll in
the downline followed by more downline (hope I started real high) then an
upright exit. Am I to understand that the actual manuever is "2 1/2 turn
spin exit inverted half roll out" to landing? </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Does there exist a set of drawings for
these manuevers somewhere? My old AMA rule book does not have
them.<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">"Tomanek, Wojtek"
<tomanekw@saic-abingdon.com></SPAN></I></B>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I believe that it does not matter, when coming out
of the spin you need to pause going down, then level the plane (90
deg) to a horizontal flight, then pause (straight inverted flight)
and then roll. The pause shall not be larger than the radius of the
downline to horizontal transition but it has to be there unlike in the
Immelman </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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color=navy size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy">"2 1/2 turn
spin exit inverted half roll out" to landing?" = correct, but better
announce that landing</SPAN></FONT></P>
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