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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#0000ff size=3>Look at it from the
standpoint the described maneuver was not performed and the judge can award a
zero.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#0000ff
size=3> Del K. Rykert<BR> AMA -
8928 <BR> NSRCA - 473<BR> Kb2joi
- General </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<A title=jed241@msn.com href="mailto:jed241@msn.com">jed241@msn.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 03, 2003 9:21
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: 4 pt roll</DIV>
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<DIV>New at the judging game…</DIV>
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<DIV>********To re-phrase what I think I read. As a judge; if the roll
rate is so <BR>fast that I am not sure that all points existed as hestiations,
then I <BR>can issue a downgrade for a missed point or points. A missed
point <BR>would be a major downgrade.***********</DIV>
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<DIV>If even one point is missed (no hesitation), would this warrant a
zero vs major downgrade as it is not a 4 point roll? Is this view too critical
for the four point roll?<BR></DIV>
<DIV>Curious…</DIV>
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<DIV>Larry<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=Rcmaster199@aol.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 03, 2003 9:50
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: 4 pt roll</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 5/3/2003 7:35:29 PM Eastern Daylight
Time, <A href="mailto:randy10926@comcast.net">randy10926@comcast.net</A>
writes:<BR><BR><BR>
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TYPE="CITE">Subj:<B>4 pt roll </B><BR>Date:5/3/2003 7:35:29 PM Eastern
Daylight Time<BR>From:<A
href="mailto:randy10926@comcast.net">randy10926@comcast.net</A><BR>Reply-to:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR>To:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><I>Sent
from the Internet </I><BR><BR><BR><BR>Thanks for the reply.<BR><BR>To
re-phrase what I think I read. As a judge; if the roll rate is so
<BR>fast that I am not sure that all points existed as hestiations, then I
<BR>can issue a downgrade for a missed point or points. A missed
point <BR>would be a major downgrade.<BR><BR>Randy
Hatfield</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Randy,<BR><BR>Roll rate, the speed at which
rolling is done, does not matter. You can peg the stick if you want to for
each quarter roll; or do a slow entry for each quarter roll, except be
careful you don't run out of room when doing one slowy.<BR><BR>What matters
is that the rate be constant and that the hesitations are visible, of
constant duration, and obvious to the judge. If the hesitations are too
short and not obvious, then, you know what's coming<BR><BR>All the other
items the book describes, apply of course, like hitting the points every 90
degrees, centering, and distance out, to name a few (in that order of
importance and not belabor the obvious). <BR><BR>We in the JC just recently
discussed certain issues wth point rolls. Don Ramsey will be writing an
article for the KFactor and discussing these.<BR><BR>BTW- remember that if
you run out of room and you do not show the appropriate amount of straight
and level before the turnaround, 2 point downgrade on your TA for this
infraction alone.<BR><BR>Matt</FONT>
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