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<DIV>Don,</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for your advice.</DIV>
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<DIV>I was thinking that was the case with ground effect. I was just glad to
get my plane down in one piece.</DIV>
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<DIV>I would be interested in reading anything you would like to offer about
flying in the wind. Perhaps this might make a good K-Factor article. I did get a
copy of crosswind flying and was able to put some of it use today. Still
inexperienced about landing in the wind. I'll keep working on it though.
Maybe in a bit lower wind speed till I get a bit more
confident…<vbg></DIV>
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<DIV>Larry<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=dszczur@maranatha.net
href="mailto:dszczur@maranatha.net">don szczur</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 12, 2003 10:05 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Practicing in Strong
Winds</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Approach speed 2x normal, on high rate ailerons,
elevator and rudder. When over the threshold, tilt wing into wind, apply
opposite rudder until in ground effect. Ground
effect varies from terrain and turbulance items (like
shelters, cars, upwind trees) and is an exponential function with
respect to altitude, but is normally kicks in the last 2 feet.
Things get (relatively) contollable there. The above approach technique
keeps extra airspeed in case of a (reverse wind gust). The slipping
keeps the plane in line with the runway, while bleeding off extra speed during
the otherwise over-shot approach. BTW, this technique also works
in near calm when dead-sticking. It keeps one out of the
trees.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Winds were 18 gusting to 29 yesterday here in VA, I got
a few practice flights in before calling it a (mothers) day. I could
write a few paragraphs on flying in the intense (over 15 mph) winds if anyone
interested.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Also it (ground effect) works for torque rolls, if
thats ever of interest. Its much easier torque rolling under 2 feet than
it is over 20 for the same reason (ground effect).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B><A href="mailto:jed241@msn.com">jed241@msn.com</A> <<A
href="mailto:jed241@msn.com">jed241@msn.com</A>><BR><B>To: </B>NSRCA
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href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Monday, May 12, 2003 10:11 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Practicing in Strong
Winds<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV>Help a Rookie Thread…</DIV>
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<DIV>Today I decided to face my fears of flying in winds over 10mph. </DIV>
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<DIV>The take off was uneventful and the initial turn was a bit bumpy. Once
up to speed I was able to perform interesting loops and stall turns and the
like for sportsman with a 20mph to 25mph wind (don't know what it was
gusting at). I have never seen a plane fly over the top of the loop at
a 45 degree angle to keep the loop a circle, then kind of flip
over the top and perform the next radius almost at a vertical down line
again to keep the loop a circle before the 270 degree point.</DIV>
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<DIV>I was having such great success and building great confidence when I
then realized I need to land at some point of this flight and didn't try any
slow passes for landing. This is when the pucker factor kicked in…</DIV>
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<DIV>The 1st pass I made was too far out and too fast. Not intending to land
just gauge the speed and learn how the plane was going to react. The turn
off of the pass took the pucker factor up to the next level as a gust caught
the upper wing and rolled me inverted. In a panic, I just kept rolling until
I was upright. This proved to be the right decision as I think the other
option to recover would have put me in the ground.</DIV>
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<DIV>Now came the second pass, too fast for airspeed and too slow for ground
speed. My wings were getting bounced from left to right and had a difficult
time keeping them level. Learning from the last pass I decided I didn't need
to bank that hard for turning back on the down wind. Bumpy, but much
smoother…</DIV>
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<DIV>Knowing that I don't have much fuel left at this point, maybe two more
passes tops, the pucker factor reached a new high. I'm way beyond the knees
knocking at this point…</DIV>
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<DIV>On the 3rd pass I lined up ok and started reeling it in trying to
manage the throttle to save fuel and keep a steady airspeed above stalling.
Had a good line up, then the wind shifted and pushed me out over the
long grass in a cross wind gust. I had a choice to either bail the landing
or feed my plane to the Grass Gods (2 feet tall). I decided the tall
grass was a better idea in this situation than to try and force another
landing knowing the fuel situation.</DIV>
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<DIV>I was able to softly feed the plane to the Grass Gods which in return
showed it's kindness by offering a soft cushion. I was down finally
and my son was laughing and awing about how cool that
landing was as I started to clean out my pants…There was no damage to the
plane.</DIV>
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<DIV>Now the question, "When the wind is strong is there any air barrier
close to the ground (like ground effect) that once you enter, it stops
bouncing you around? I didn't see it when I put the plane in the grass which
was about 2 feet tall.</DIV>
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<DIV>The one thing I did learn is that a bigger plane would probably handle
better than this Aresti 40..ha... Is there a conversion factor that says
what this wind reacts to a 40 size plane Vs a 2 meter plane? <g></DIV>
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<DIV>I did enjoy the experience, but don't recommend anyone flying in a
bumpy 20mph wind with a 40 size plane.</DIV>
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<DIV>Oh, I only had enough fuel to probably make it half way down the runway
on the down wind leg, a tad bit more than a half ounce.</DIV>
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<DIV>Would like any thoughts on how the plane reacts as it gets closer to
the ground on windy days. I fly off of a grass runway. As there a difference
for paved runways?</DIV>
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