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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic" color=#008080 size=2><SPAN
class=773411312-24052003>I've gotten a couple notes from folks that say I should
respond to this, so I will do that:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic" color=#008080 size=2><SPAN
class=773411312-24052003>I have been building for this person, and many others
for some time now. This person "R", as he states has several projects still to
be completed by me, some as noted in the list below, but there are others as
well. We have always worked on projects via the phone, where I would as him what
project he wanted to do next, and I'd work on that one, and send it to him when
completed.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic" color=#008080 size=2><SPAN
class=773411312-24052003>He and I never did contracts, or written agreements,
just verbal.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic" color=#008080 size=2><SPAN
class=773411312-24052003>Over that last few months, my job has kept me away
traveling, and I related this information to him, as well as the others I have
built for. A few weeks ago, he became angry that the projects had not been
coming to him as regular as they had in the past. He asked for a full update of
all of his projects, and I provided it to him, in about a week or
so.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic" color=#008080 size=2><SPAN
class=773411312-24052003>He reviewed the project list, advised that it looked in
order, and since he and I had never done anything but a verbal agreement on any
of his work, I advised that the written update would serve as our contract to
get the projects completed. We also agreed, in writing to have all the projects
completed and to him by December 2003.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic" color=#008080 size=2><SPAN
class=773411312-24052003>That is all I can offer on this, he and I have come to
terms on his work, and it's going forward. He has several planes that I have
built for him, that he is very happy with, and I feel the time issue with the
projects getting to him is his concern.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=773411312-24052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic" color=#008080 size=2><SPAN
class=773411312-24052003>I'm working to deliver his projects, as he and I agreed
in writing, and that is where we are.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic" color=#008080 size=2><SPAN
class=773411312-24052003>This is really a matter for he and I to address, and
I'm sorry that it has taken up the time and space of the
list.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=773411312-24052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic" color=#008080 size=2><SPAN
class=773411312-24052003>Van</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=res6k5f4@verizon.net href="mailto:res6k5f4@verizon.net">Van</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> ; <A
title=pattern@rcmailinglists.com
href="mailto:pattern@rcmailinglists.com">pattern@rcmailinglists.com</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 24, 2003 7:02
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [SA] van is at it again?
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic" color=#008080 size=2><SPAN
class=460400012-24052003>All,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic" color=#008080 size=2><SPAN
class=460400012-24052003>I'm not going to respond to this at all on this
list or any other. This person and I have established dates to
complete these projects, and that's, that. This is not food for the masses
to feed on, and I would hope it would be removed from the
list.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=460400012-24052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic" color=#008080 size=2><SPAN
class=460400012-24052003>Thanks, Van</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
</FONT><A href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org"><FONT
size=2>discussion-request@nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT size=2>
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B></FONT><A
href="mailto:SteveK101@aol.com"><FONT
size=2>SteveK101@aol.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=2><B>Sent:</B> Friday,
May 23, 2003 11:42 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pattern@rcmailinglists.com;
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: <SPAN
class=773411312-24052003><FONT face="Century Gothic" color=#008080>[Van
Flowers] RE: </FONT></SPAN><BR><SPAN
class=773411312-24052003><FONT face="Century Gothic" color=#008080>[Van
Flowers] </FONT></SPAN> <BR><BR></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">The
attached article was posted on the IMAC list... I have sanitized it but is
this the same Van Flowers that was recently on the cover of the K-Factor
and I believe is the K-Factor advertising manager? I realize there
are always three sides to every story but well, just read... and
FWIW???<BR><BR>Hello, my name is R, I have been a model Airplane
enthusiast for<BR>almost 6 years now. Recently upon my desire to fly
bigger and better<BR>aircraft. I ran across Van Flowers, and have
let him do a BUNCH of my<BR>building work. Because me experience
level at dealing with anything other<BR>than arf's or smaller kits, is
very limited. Well over the past year and a<BR>half Van has done a
number of planes for me. The ones that I have actually<BR>received
from him, flew great. But in the past 8 months, It's like he
has<BR>become non-existent.<BR><BR>Recently you have been swapping email
with my good friend J.<BR>I am the friend he has been referring to in his
emails.<BR><BR>I have been riding Van very hard the past few months trying
to get<BR>?something? out of him. He can't even give me a status
report. All I can<BR>say is that, he's one shady son of a bitch.
He'll feel you ears full of<BR>candy, so he can f**k you a little
deeper. Sorry, I'm getting carried away.<BR>Just to give you an idea
of the magnitude of my problem, here is what he<BR>currently has of
mine.<BR><BR>1. Fiber Classics Extra w/ DA150 and 8411's<BR>
(Supposedly - it is getting airbrushed) All the money was paid
in<BR>advance 9 mos ago (2,000 for Airbrush work) At this
point I don't think<BR>there has been s**t done to it. I keep asking
for pictures, but get nothing<BR><BR>2. 46% ultimate All paid
~$10,000<BR><BR>3. 2 - Great Knives
~$2500<BR><BR>4. 1 - Weeks Bipe ~$5000<BR><BR>5. 2
Engines that have quote "Been Ordered" for 8 months now ~
$2000<BR><BR>there are a few more, but this is the
majority.<BR><BR><BR>I'm not sure what to do at this point. Between
me and J, that f**ker<BR>probably has over 25k of our money at this
point.<BR><BR>I have heard that you have had similar problems with
him. Someone needs to<BR>ruin that bastard.<BR><BR><BR>thanks for
your
time<BR><BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>