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<DIV><SPAN class=521542018-30052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>That's
creative!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=521542018-30052003> <FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2>Dean</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tony Stillman
[mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 30, 2003 2:20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Speaking of
power<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dean:<BR><BR>Good reading....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I also know of a club in the New Orleans area
that has a house close by. Whenever they have a contest, fly-in, etc.,
they PAY for a weekend in a nice hotel in New Orleans for the couple that
lives in the house! In turn, they get a complaint free event. It
is not a solution for noise, but does show that the club didn't want to create
a problem. They took a proactive position and made REAL GOOD friends
with the neighbors.... Now the neighbors can't wait for another R/C
event....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=d.pappas@kodeos.com href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">Dean
Pappas</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 30, 2003 12:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Speaking of power</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=113195814-30052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
All,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=113195814-30052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>The club I wrote of before has a 92 dB limit. I'm not kidding, though
we in the club know that most airplanes there are hairy edge, the noise
meter is onerous enough, that smart people make sure their airplanes sound
nice enough in the air that no-one challenges them to an actual
measurement. There is no Giant Scale at this field, of
course.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=113195814-30052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>The way that the Washington Crossing club got into their
earlier mess with an artificially low limit (lots of us really do meet
it!) is that they got noticed by the neighbors in the wrong way, and
mistakenly kept lowering the limit, in the hopes that a magic number would
solve the problem. It didn't. About two years after this nonsense, I moved
into the area, and found the club receptive to education. I got them to stop
concentrating on mufflers and the noise stand, and on props and in
the air "snarl" instead. Fortunately it worked, but for political
reasons (the State Park oversight) we dare not relax the rule. 94 dB would
be a really good number. Gray is right: you have to be (dare I use the word)
proactive.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=113195814-30052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dave H. makes a great point, we can lead, but it's up to others to
follow. With the exception of noise-hostile club cultures, they do! It just
doesn't happen quickly. Over the years, I have done 5 or 6 dozen
noise-abatement talks at club meetings, over the NY, NJ, PA area. Ed
Miller's club in the Poughkeepsie area was one receptive to the issue:
they had a field with houses very close by and they decided to prevent the
first complaint from coming in. Good thinking, not to mention a nice stay at
Ed and Bonnie's place. On the other hand, another club I spoke at was
downright hostile, they are predominantly Giant Scale, and even have the
IMAA fly-in-racetracks-only rule when 2 or more planes are in the air. The
club president interrupted me ten times during the talk just to ask ,
"... how can you fly if you can't hear it?" Apparently he had a hearing loss
from all those loud planes over the years!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=113195814-30052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>People generally do follow when they see the good
stuff,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=113195814-30052003> <FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Dean P.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Gray E Fowler
[mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 30, 2003 9:38
AM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Speaking of
power<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Good for FAI
being 94 dB, but 96 is plenty low. While I was Pres of my club we passed a
noise ordinance rule, measured the same way pattern planes are.....limit
is???? 103 dB!! And this was not politically easy, but at least it now
stops the monster screamers and now when someone has a loud plane EVERYONE
questions is it and we measure.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>94
dB is too low considering that an ARF trainer with a bb .46 is 95-96
dB. Getting a club noise rule in place is good, but for us a bit late. The
gassers already pissed off two neighbors and now the 94-97 dB plane is a
nusiance to them even though those planes had been flying near their
houses for 5 years without any complaints. I suggest that all clubs get
something in place BEFORE the problem starts. We were proactive and had
the rule voted on but not active when the first major complaint happened.
Now it is an on going battle. And like someone else mentioned...the loud
plane disappeared...not come back with a "real muffler"....just gone and
that is fine with the entire Richardson club. By the way...we also banned
props over 22" as they were a huge noise culprit.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray
Fowler<BR>Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Composites
Engineering</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>