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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dean:<BR><BR>Good reading....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I also know of a club in the New Orleans area that
has a house close by. Whenever they have a contest, fly-in, etc., they PAY
for a weekend in a nice hotel in New Orleans for the couple that lives in the
house! In turn, they get a complaint free event. It is not a
solution for noise, but does show that the club didn't want to create a
problem. They took a proactive position and made REAL GOOD friends with
the neighbors.... Now the neighbors can't wait for another R/C
event....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=d.pappas@kodeos.com href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">Dean Pappas</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 30, 2003 12:00 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Speaking of power</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=113195814-30052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
All,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=113195814-30052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
club I wrote of before has a 92 dB limit. I'm not kidding, though we in the
club know that most airplanes there are hairy edge, the noise meter is onerous
enough, that smart people make sure their airplanes sound nice enough in the
air that no-one challenges them to an actual measurement. There is no
Giant Scale at this field, of course.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=113195814-30052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
way that the Washington Crossing club got into their earlier mess with an
artificially low limit (lots of us really do meet it!) is that they got
noticed by the neighbors in the wrong way, and mistakenly kept lowering
the limit, in the hopes that a magic number would solve the problem. It
didn't. About two years after this nonsense, I moved into the area, and found
the club receptive to education. I got them to stop concentrating on mufflers
and the noise stand, and on props and in the air "snarl" instead.
Fortunately it worked, but for political reasons (the State Park oversight) we
dare not relax the rule. 94 dB would be a really good number. Gray is right:
you have to be (dare I use the word) proactive.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=113195814-30052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Dave
H. makes a great point, we can lead, but it's up to others to follow. With the
exception of noise-hostile club cultures, they do! It just doesn't happen
quickly. Over the years, I have done 5 or 6 dozen noise-abatement talks
at club meetings, over the NY, NJ, PA area. Ed Miller's club in the
Poughkeepsie area was one receptive to the issue: they had a field with
houses very close by and they decided to prevent the first complaint from
coming in. Good thinking, not to mention a nice stay at Ed and Bonnie's place.
On the other hand, another club I spoke at was downright hostile, they are
predominantly Giant Scale, and even have the IMAA fly-in-racetracks-only rule
when 2 or more planes are in the air. The club president interrupted me ten
times during the talk just to ask , "... how can you fly if you can't
hear it?" Apparently he had a hearing loss from all those loud planes over the
years!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=113195814-30052003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>People generally do follow when they see the good
stuff,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=113195814-30052003> <FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Dean P.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Gray E Fowler
[mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 30, 2003 9:38
AM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Speaking of
power<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Good for FAI
being 94 dB, but 96 is plenty low. While I was Pres of my club we passed a
noise ordinance rule, measured the same way pattern planes are.....limit
is???? 103 dB!! And this was not politically easy, but at least it now stops
the monster screamers and now when someone has a loud plane EVERYONE
questions is it and we measure.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>94
dB is too low considering that an ARF trainer with a bb .46 is 95-96
dB. Getting a club noise rule in place is good, but for us a bit late. The
gassers already pissed off two neighbors and now the 94-97 dB plane is a
nusiance to them even though those planes had been flying near their houses
for 5 years without any complaints. I suggest that all clubs get something
in place BEFORE the problem starts. We were proactive and had the rule voted
on but not active when the first major complaint happened. Now it is an on
going battle. And like someone else mentioned...the loud plane
disappeared...not come back with a "real muffler"....just gone and that is
fine with the entire Richardson club. By the way...we also banned props over
22" as they were a huge noise culprit.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray
Fowler<BR>Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Composites
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