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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Some comments in CAPS embedded in your
post...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Each round is normalized to the high raw score in each
class. That makes each round a "mini-contest".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The most harsh set of judges have no more influence
on the outcome than a more lenient set.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>We admit the judging process is flawed when we use two or
more judges. After all, if they were all perfect we would only need one per
flight!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>We are always looking to do better in the judging &
scoring department.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> <BR>John Ferrell <BR>6241 Phillippi Rd<BR>Julian NC 27283<BR>Phone:
(336)685-9606 <BR><A
href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">johnferrell@earthlink.net</A><BR>Dixie
Competition Products<BR>NSRCA 479 AMA 4190 W8CCW<BR>"My Competition is Not
My Enemy"<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jed241@msn.com href="mailto:jed241@msn.com">jed241@msn.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">NSRCA</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 09, 2003 8:02 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Scoring Vs Judging</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>You need to blame this e-mail thread on two things. One is the post that
said it was quite; and two, you will soon see I have too much time on my
hands...<VBG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Before reading any further, I'm only trying to drum up trouble
<VBG> I could be way off base here....I really don't know...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Due to my competitive nature (certainly not my flying ability) I have
given thought to the relationship of judging, scoring, and the potential
outcome of a certain phenomena called a low average round (aka...a
typically low scoring set of judges by nature)...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I could be wrong on this so please correct me if I'm wrong...Here we
go...I'm putting on my flame suit as I type...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Theory:</DIV>
<DIV>Since the scoring procedure is to normalize each round, a set of
judges that scores low by nature will have more influence on the outcome than
a set of judges that scores higher by nature.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Data:</DIV>
<DIV>I pulled a spreadsheet together and came up with the following numbers
(rounded to the nearest .01):</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sportsman - Total KFactor points per round is 19. This translates a
perfect round that each raw score is worth 5.26 normalized points per raw
point (19*10*5.26). A round with an average of 7.5 KFactor points has a
normalized value of 7.0 normalized points per raw point.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If this is true (not claiming it is, cause I don't know) and
two pilots are close (separated only by 1 raw point per round). It's
possible that the pilot winning the lower averaged round could win even though
they share the same exact raw score. This wouldn't be the case if they scoring
system normalized the combined raw scores for all rounds to determine the
winner. This may be the case but I'm just trying to start
trouble...<VBG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>YES!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Average for rounds one and two per KFactor point is 8; Rounds three
and four is 7. Who should win?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Raw Scores:</DIV>
<DIV>Pilot One (R1-152; R2-152; R3-132; R4-132) = total of 568</DIV>
<DIV>Pilot Two (R1-151; R2-151; R3-133; R4-133) = total of 568</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Should this be a tie?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Nope, cause when you normalize by the round and add individual rounds
together you get the following results. (assuming the formula is -->1000 /
Highest raw score for the round X pilots raw score for the round)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Normalized:</DIV>
<DIV>Pilot One (R1-1000; R2-1000; R3-992.5; R4-992.5) = total of
3985</DIV>
<DIV>Pilot Two (R1-993.5; R2-993.5; R3-1000; R4-1000) = total of
3987</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Pilot two wins due to the influence of the lower average scoring
rounds.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't know how the scoring system works to compute the winner, but
would be interested to know if it is by the sum of the normalized rounds or by
normalized total of the raw scores per round.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>NORMALIZED TOTAL OF THE RAW SCORES PER
ROUND</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>If you really want to complicate things, just start thinking about the
shift of the outcome on Masters Maneuvers with high KFactors when the
difference between two pilots is only separated by 1/2 point on a given
maneuver.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>TRUE!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Conclusion:</DIV>
<DIV>Consistency of scoring from judge to judge is just as
important as judging each pilot in a round. Unless again the total raw
score is normalized to define the winner.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Now as my favorite comedian always says, "This is only my opinion, I
could be wrong". I also admit that I may not know what I'm talking about cause
I don't understand the math behind it. Not meant to be sarcastic, cause it
could be true.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you actually got to this point, you are truly as demented as I
am...LOL</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Larry</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>