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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#0000ff
size=3>Larry.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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Playing devils advocate here. Your semantics aside, I have seen many other
variables determine the close competitor winners, than how the numbers are
crunched. Weather, Judge burnout in chair to long, (loss in sharpness and
concentration) Tearing eyes d/t elements, close call with another craft while
having a barn burning flight etc. If we really want to address all the problems
that influence the chosen order of finish one can look at many issues and
reasons. Crunching numbers is just one of them. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#0000ff
size=3> Del </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<A title=jed241@msn.com href="mailto:jed241@msn.com">jed241@msn.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 09, 2003 6:43 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Scoring Vs Judging</DIV>
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<DIV>John,</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for your response...</DIV>
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<DIV>Let me make sure that everyone understands...,"I'm not attacking the
judging in any way". This was only intended to spark discussion about the
scoring and how it roles up. I thought I understood it correctly. I may have
sparked some nerves which was not my intent...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>However, I'll engage in debate...</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>***Each round is normalized to the high raw score in
each class. That makes each round a "mini-contest".***</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>This would only be true if the number of rounds won
was the deciding factor. Since the sum of the normalized rounds determines the
winner, it is possible that the winner actually has a lower raw score total.
As Matt stated, it's not probable that this would be the case.
However, as the difference between two scores decrease,
the potential becomes more likely.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>***The most harsh set of judges have no more
influence on the outcome than a more lenient set.***</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>This can't be a correct statement if my theory and
math is correct. The importance of consistency from judge to judge should be
the priority in my opinion. I believe this is the focus of the NSRCA judging
committee.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>***We admit the judging process is flawed when we use
two or more judges.***</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Actually, I think the "low average round" phenomena risk
is reduced when using more than one judge per round. The averages should
reduce the variance.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Larry</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">John Ferrell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 09, 2003 8:06
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Scoring Vs Judging</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Some comments in CAPS embedded in your
post...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Each round is normalized to the high raw score in each
class. That makes each round a "mini-contest".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The most harsh set of judges have no more
influence on the outcome than a more lenient set.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>We admit the judging process is flawed when we use two
or more judges. After all, if they were all perfect we would only need one
per flight!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>We are always looking to do better in the judging
& scoring department.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>John Ferrell <BR>6241 Phillippi Rd<BR>Julian NC 27283<BR>Phone:
(336)685-9606 <BR><A
href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">johnferrell@earthlink.net</A><BR>Dixie
Competition Products<BR>NSRCA 479 AMA 4190 W8CCW<BR>"My Competition is
Not My Enemy"<BR></DIV>
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