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class=625043118-11062003>Personally I think we're not THAT far from having a
wireless (bluetooth) numeric keypad for the judge to enter scores on, with a
"scorekeeper" that ques up the appropriate pilot while sitting at the PC.
Still a little ways out...need to deal with multiple port entry and how to deal
with mistakes...but still, the technology is awfully close.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Anthony Abdullah
[mailto:aabdu@sbcglobal.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:27
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Wrong Maneuver
issues<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV>Wouldn't a simple hand held or headset tape recorder solve that
problem. It would also make it a lot easier for the people entering the scores
to just play it back. Most of them are not data entry professionals and being
able to enter scores without looking away from the keys would probably help.
At the beginning of a flight just say the pilot's name then 1 (for first
manuever) and so on. <BR><BR><B><I>Woodward James R Civ 412
TW/DRP/ACQ <James.Woodward2@edwards.af.mil></I></B> wrote:
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">These last two
posts exemplify several reasons for having a scribe. The scribe can
call the maneuvers for you, and allows you to keep your eyes on the
plane. Many times, including this year, you can watch judges
habitually miss nearly every exit and entry of maneuvers while they are
writing down scores.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim
W.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
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Abdullah [mailto:aabdu@sbcglobal.net] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Wednesday, June
11, 2003</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">7:11
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR><B><SPAN
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: Wrong Maneuver
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Mark makes a good point. Just as most
pilots are rusty at the beginning of the season, so are most judges. As the
year wears on a manuever that would get an 8.5 in May might get a 7.
Not because of a description or rule change, but because the judging gets
sharper. Make all of your mistakes early in the season as it will get a lot
harder to get away with them later in the year. Fortunately your flying will
get better as the judging gets tougher so it is all pretty much a wash
anyway.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">That is one of the problems with
contestant / human judging. I now have a product to add to my wish list
with the YS140/160 2 stroke. A holographic scoring program projected into
the sky HUD style that can automatically judge each manuever flown against a
rule book template. It would allow for different styles of flying, adjust
for manuever size, and have correct geometry programmed in. Of course it
would normalize flight scores after each round.<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">"Atwood, Mark"
<atwoodm@paragon-inc.com></SPAN></I></B>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I know we joke about it a lot, but
it's a difficult issue. It's hard to memorize 5 sets of
schedules...especially the more complicated ones. Until recently, most of
the more advanced pilots had been through the lower ranks with the same
schedules...they hadn't changed in many years. After having flown the
sportsman, advanced, and masters sequences literally a thousand times, it
was unlikely that I would forget the sequence. Made them easy to judge
without effort. <BR><BR>But now, the sequences are all new to all of us.
Unless you're very diligent, which is often NOT the case at a local spring
contest, it's easy for the judges to judge the maneuver flown, rather then
the one required. This is especially true of similar manuevers...1/2
square with 1/2 roll rather than 1/2 square with 2/4...or your 1/2 cuban
rather than 1/2 reverse cuban etc.<BR><BR>You'll find fewer and fewer
errors as the summer progresses and as the manuevers become more familiar
to everyone. <BR><BR>Still...best to be quiet. Bob P. managed to fly an
inside-inside cuban eight with 1 1/2 rolls rather than an inside-outside
cuban with full rolls in masters at the '99 nats and got 8's from all 4
judges...not the best endorsement.<BR><BR>-M<BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: jed241@msn.com [mailto:jed241@msn.com]<BR>Sent: Tue
6/10/2003 6:30 PM<BR>To: discussion@nsrca.org<BR>Cc: <BR>Subject: Re:
Wrong Maneuver issues<BR><BR>Mark,<BR><BR>Do you think if I did a 1/2
Reverse Cuban 8 after the straight flight back instead of the correct 1/2
Cuban 8 again, the judges might have missed it...Oh, I remember...They
marked it zero when I said "oh shoot"...<VBG> I was pretty proud of that
scribbled out 8 though...ha...<BR><BR>Larry<BR>----- Original Message
----- <BR>From: Atwood, Mark <BR>To: discussion@nsrca.org <BR>Sent:
Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:01 PM<BR>Subject: RE: Wrong Maneuver
issues<BR><BR><BR>I'll go back to my previous statement...I'm a huge
advocate of "benefit of the doubt"...which means if I know the manuever
they're trying to fly, then it's "recognized" and I would award the
downgrade, not a zero. Lord knows we'd be handing out zeros continuously
in sportsman otherwise. <BR><BR>I only use the "unrecognizable manuever"
zero when it's so bad that the manuever would be a zero if I did recognize
it....<BR><BR><BR>Take the double Weedon for example :) VBG...sorry
Tom...couldn't help myself.<BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
Henderson,Eric [mailto:Eric.Henderson@gartner.com]<BR>Sent: Tuesday, June
10, 2003 11:51 AM<BR>To: discussion@nsrca.org<BR>Subject: Wrong Maneuver
issues<BR><BR><BR>The example below is clearly the wrong maneuver, but
what about a top-hat where the pilot does not draw a straight line on the
top. It looks just like a Humpty so do you zero for unrecognizable
maneuver, or down-grade 2-4 points???<BR><BR>E.<BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]On Behalf Of WHIP23@aol.com<BR>Sent:
Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:28 AM<BR>To: discussion@nsrca.org<BR>Subject:
Re: Scoring Vs Judging<BR><BR><BR>In a message dated 6/10/03 8:20:17 AM
Pacific Daylight Time, gfowler@raytheon.com writes:<BR><BR><BR><BR>Yeah
but if you 1/2 rolled on the way up, pushed over the top, then no roll
would be required on the down leg....<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>I agree the issue
is that the 1/2 roll must be on the up line, the zero was for a 1/2 roll
on the way down, not a legal variation per the rule book.<BR><BR>Bob
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