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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>These last two posts exemplify several
reasons for having a scribe. The scribe can call the maneuvers for you,
and allows you to keep your eyes on the plane. Many times, including this
year, you can watch judges habitually miss nearly every exit and entry of
maneuvers while they are writing down scores.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Anthony Abdullah
[mailto:aabdu@sbcglobal.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Wednesday, June
11, 2003</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>7:11 AM</span></font><font size=2
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Wrong Maneuver issues</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Mark makes a good point. Just as most pilots are rusty
at the beginning of the season, so are most judges. As the year wears on a
manuever that would get an 8.5 in May might get a 7. Not because of a
description or rule change, but because the judging gets sharper. Make all of
your mistakes early in the season as it will get a lot harder to get away with
them later in the year. Fortunately your flying will get better as the judging
gets tougher so it is all pretty much a wash anyway.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>That is one of the problems with contestant / human
judging. I now have a product to add to my wish list with the YS140/160 2
stroke. A holographic scoring program projected into the sky HUD style that can
automatically judge each manuever flown against a rule book template. It would
allow for different styles of flying, adjust for manuever size, and have
correct geometry programmed in. Of course it would normalize flight scores
after each round.<br>
<br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>"Atwood, Mark"
<atwoodm@paragon-inc.com></span></i></b> wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I know we joke about it a lot, but it's a difficult
issue. It's hard to memorize 5 sets of schedules...especially the more
complicated ones. Until recently, most of the more advanced pilots had been
through the lower ranks with the same schedules...they hadn't changed in many
years. After having flown the sportsman, advanced, and masters sequences
literally a thousand times, it was unlikely that I would forget the sequence.
Made them easy to judge without effort. <br>
<br>
But now, the sequences are all new to all of us. Unless you're very diligent,
which is often NOT the case at a local spring contest, it's easy for the judges
to judge the maneuver flown, rather then the one required. This is especially
true of similar manuevers...1/2 square with 1/2 roll rather than 1/2 square
with 2/4...or your 1/2 cuban rather than 1/2 reverse cuban etc.<br>
<br>
You'll find fewer and fewer errors as the summer progresses and as the
manuevers become more familiar to everyone. <br>
<br>
Still...best to be quiet. Bob P. managed to fly an inside-inside cuban eight
with 1 1/2 rolls rather than an inside-outside cuban with full rolls in masters
at the '99 nats and got 8's from all 4 judges...not the best endorsement.<br>
<br>
-M<br>
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<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: jed241@msn.com [mailto:jed241@msn.com]<br>
Sent: Tue 6/10/2003 6:30 PM<br>
To: discussion@nsrca.org<br>
Cc: <br>
Subject: Re: Wrong Maneuver issues<br>
<br>
Mark,<br>
<br>
Do you think if I did a 1/2 Reverse Cuban 8 after the straight flight back
instead of the correct 1/2 Cuban 8 again, the judges might have missed it...Oh,
I remember...They marked it zero when I said "oh shoot"...<VBG> I was
pretty proud of that scribbled out 8 though...ha...<br>
<br>
Larry<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: Atwood, Mark <br>
To: discussion@nsrca.org <br>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:01 PM<br>
Subject: RE: Wrong Maneuver issues<br>
<br>
<br>
I'll go back to my previous statement...I'm a huge advocate of "benefit of
the doubt"...which means if I know the manuever they're trying to fly,
then it's "recognized" and I would award the downgrade, not a zero.
Lord knows we'd be handing out zeros continuously in sportsman otherwise. <br>
<br>
I only use the "unrecognizable manuever" zero when it's so bad that
the manuever would be a zero if I did recognize it....<br>
<br>
<br>
Take the double Weedon for example :) VBG...sorry Tom...couldn't help myself.<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Henderson,Eric [mailto:Eric.Henderson@gartner.com]<br>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:51 AM<br>
To: discussion@nsrca.org<br>
Subject: Wrong Maneuver issues<br>
<br>
<br>
The example below is clearly the wrong maneuver, but what about a top-hat where
the pilot does not draw a straight line on the top. It looks just like a Humpty
so do you zero for unrecognizable maneuver, or down-grade 2-4 points???<br>
<br>
E.<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of WHIP23@aol.com<br>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:28 AM<br>
To: discussion@nsrca.org<br>
Subject: Re: Scoring Vs Judging<br>
<br>
<br>
In a message dated 6/10/03 8:20:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
gfowler@raytheon.com writes:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Yeah but if you 1/2 rolled on the way up, pushed over the top, then no roll
would be required on the down leg....<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I agree the issue is that the 1/2 roll must be on the up line, the zero was for
a 1/2 roll on the way down, not a legal variation per the rule book.<br>
<br>
Bob <br>
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