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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=810480520-11062003>I
agree 100%</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Paul Reed<BR></FONT></P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Henderson,Eric<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:59
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Wrong Maneuver
issues<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
idea of callers "helping" judges sounds good but is not at all good in
practice. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>First of all, you have to be close enough to hear. Pilots do not want
or need maneuvers shouted at them or even given in full text
descriptions.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Secondly, some pilots do not actually have them called.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thirdly, many pilots get the maneuvers verbalized in pairs so that they
can set up for the next center maneuver.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Last
on this list, but not least, almost all pilots have the maneuver called
before the current one is finished.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I am
a big advocate of keeping the judges and the pilots apart in all ways during
the flight.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Regards,<BR><BR>Eric.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>WHIP23@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:29
AM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Wrong Maneuver
issues<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 6/11/03 8:12:14 AM Pacific
Daylight Time, Patternrules@aol.com writes:<BR><BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
TYPE="CITE"><BR><B>Personally I like it when the caller calls the maneuvers
loud enough for the judges to hear, then I don't need a scribe just a blank
paper, then transcribe the # after the flight.<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><I>Steve Maxwell</B></I> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT
lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>I agree, with the caller calling the maneuvers loud
enough for the judges to hear, but I have found that there is a lot of
resistance to this proceedure. I've always viewed presenting the
sequence such that the judges could judge it, easily and correctly as part of
the "job" and the caller can contribute to that to a large degree, by calling
the maneuvers such that there is no confusion. I will also point out
that I have nearly been lynched for this position, on occasion :-)<BR><BR>This
otta' get some action going on the list (flame suit on, bring
it)<BR><BR>Bob</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>