<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1170" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gene:<BR><BR>I THINK YOU GOT IT! No real
problem that I can see....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=gene.maurice@attbi.com href="mailto:gene.maurice@attbi.com">Gene
Maurice</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:58
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Wrong Maneuver issues</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Let
me see if I got this straight:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>1.
There isn't a rule which supports the caller being required to call out the
maneuvers for the judges.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>2.
Unless I missed it in all of this rhetoric, no one is suggesting a
rule.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>3.
As a pilot, if you don't want your caller to call out the maneuvers for the
judges, don't.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>4.
As a caller, if you don't want to call out the maneuvers for the judges,
don't.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>4.
As a judge, you CANNOT require the caller to call out the
maneuvers.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>5.
As a CD, if a pilot/caller will not call out the maneuvers, and the judge is
not comfortable with the sequence, then the
CD is responsible for supplying a
scribe.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>6.
If the judge requests the maneuvers be called out and the pilot / caller are
OK with it, no problem. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Please explain to me, like I'm a four year old, what the issue
is.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003>
<P><FONT size=2>Gene Maurice<BR>gene.maurice@attbi.com<BR>Plano, TX<BR>AMA
3408<BR>NSRCA 877 </FONT></P></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Henderson,Eric<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:22
AM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Wrong Maneuver
issues<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So
what are we fixing? Scribes????</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>The big picture is that you must never lose sight of the pilot
"experience" at a contest. If you make this a bad one they go away. If you
lose pilots, the callers and scribes and judges don't have a
job!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Getting the caller to call out the maneuvers for the judges is
interfering with the pilot caller relationship. Just swaying "it works down
here" is not asking the pilot group if they like it. As pilots you are put
in a situation where you object at your peril. Implied or real it's the same
thing and that is bad for the sport.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>A
judge was removed at the Nat's for demanding that the pilot helper call
out the maneuvers. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I'd love to see how we would handle a Spanish or French speaking
caller and their pilots.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Fix the scribe problem first and stop messing up the pilot
experience.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Don't forget that a CD is a rep of the AMA and I quote, has a high
level of responsibility of "properly applying the rules,maintaining
fairness etc." . I think that making the callers do this would be seen
as unfair. IMHO.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>There is a full blown appeal process to the AMA if you feel unfairly
treated. I could see that the traffic in this area could get pretty
busy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Eric.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV></SPAN><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>P.S. The good news I can't argue this anymore - off to #1 son's
wedding (Instead of Sayre - bummer!)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Patternrules@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 12, 2003
10:06 AM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Wrong
Maneuver issues<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0
face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><B>I think that the NAT'S is a
great place to do it because of the scribe's that we use aren't that
familiar with what we're doing and the caller is, as I remember right last
year Kirk Gray had a real bad problem with a scribe, I'm not judging the
person involved, it would be really bad for a pilot to get penalized for the
action of a scribe that's not on top of things, especially, at the
NAT'S.<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face="Arial Baltic" color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><I>Steve
Maxwell</B></I></FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>