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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob:<BR><BR>Very well stated. As I have said
before, the most important people at an event are not the judges, but the score
keeping crew! If the scribe or score tabulators get it wrong, you have a
problem, no matter how well you flew or how good/bad the judges are!
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The bottom line is that in actuality, there is no
problem with having the caller call maneuvers loud enough that the judges can
here. We have been doing that for about 10 years here in the Southeast,
with no problems that I know of. Mike Harrison comes to many contests
here, and he does not use a caller. So, he gets someone to call for the
judges. Once again, no problem.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If it makes it easier for the judges, it should be
considered.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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<A title=WHIP23@aol.com href="mailto:WHIP23@aol.com">WHIP23@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:23
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Wrong Maneuver issues</DIV>
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Hi Eric<BR><BR>I'll take these on<BR><BR>In a message dated
6/11/03 1:00:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <A
href="mailto:Eric.Henderson@gartner.com">Eric.Henderson@gartner.com</A>
writes:<BR><BR>
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face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">The idea of callers
"helping" judges sounds good but is not at all good in practice.
</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">I want my caller to help
the judges understand what we are doing, I've put a lot of </FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>
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TYPE="CITE"></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">effort into this and if I can help
the judges get it correct then that is to my benefit.<BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">First of all, you have to
be close enough to hear. Pilots do not want or need maneuvers shouted at
them or even given in full text descriptions.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">No need to shout and I have never found any need or
suggested that the caller modify his call sheet in any way for the judges,
just speak loud enough for the judges to hear, if the pilot can fly what is
called I can judge it. Usually this is simply speaking in a normal
voice, rather than whispering in the pilots ear, like there is something
secret here</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>
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color=#0000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Secondly, some pilots do not
actually have them called. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">If the pilot does not want the maneuver called then the
caller is free to call for the judges</FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>
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face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Thirdly, many pilots get
the maneuvers verbalized in pairs so that they can set up for the next
center maneuver.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Again call for the pilot, just speak loud enough so the
judges can hear, if the pilot can remember it long enough to fly it, I can
remember it long enough to judge it.</FONT><FONT lang=0
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face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>
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TYPE="CITE"> <BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Last on this list, but
not least, almost all pilots have the maneuver called before the current one
is finished.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Same thing, if the pilot
can deal with it while flying then I can deal with it while
judging.</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3
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TYPE="CITE"> <BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">I am a big advocate of
keeping the judges and the pilots apart in all ways during the
flight.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">If that were the case I
would have less issue with the scribes calling the maneuvers for the judges,
one of my biggest issues is that if the scribes call the maneuvers then I hear
the maneuver three times, once from the caller and once from each scribe, at
three different times, probably in three different forms. The reality is
that I have never been to a local contest where the judges and pilots were
separated and most fields don't have the room for this. And none of the
above would solve the issue of the additional manpower that having scribes
requires. <BR><BR>Last on my list is the fact that, by the time I get to
a contest, to compete, I have a great deal of time, effort and money invested
so I WANT my caller to make it as easy for the judges to understand what if
going on as possible. If the scribe gets it wrong I as the pilot will
get the poor score, so seems like having my caller present the maneuver
description, as I chose to have it presented, is to my benefit.
Otherwise I'm at the mercy of a stranger of unknown talent, knowledge or
experience. <BR><BR>My work here is done :-)<BR><BR>Bob<BR></FONT><FONT
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Regards,<BR><BR>Eric.</FONT><FONT lang=0
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