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<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Let me
see if I got this straight:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>1.
There isn't a rule which supports the caller being required to call out the
maneuvers for the judges.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>2.
Unless I missed it in all of this rhetoric, no one is suggesting a
rule.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>3. As
a pilot, if you don't want your caller to call out the maneuvers for the judges,
don't.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>4. As
a caller, if you don't want to call out the maneuvers for the judges,
don't.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>4. As
a judge, you CANNOT require the caller to call out the
maneuvers.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>5. As
a CD, if a pilot/caller will not call out the maneuvers, and the judge is not
comfortable with the sequence, then the
CD is responsible for supplying a
scribe.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>6. If
the judge requests the maneuvers be called out and the pilot / caller are OK
with it, no problem. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Please explain to me, like I'm a four year old, what the issue
is.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=752454216-12062003>
<P><FONT size=2>Gene Maurice<BR>gene.maurice@attbi.com<BR>Plano, TX<BR>AMA
3408<BR>NSRCA 877 </FONT></P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Henderson,Eric<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:22
AM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Wrong Maneuver
issues<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So
what are we fixing? Scribes????</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
big picture is that you must never lose sight of the pilot "experience" at a
contest. If you make this a bad one they go away. If you lose pilots, the
callers and scribes and judges don't have a job!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Getting the caller to call out the maneuvers for the judges is
interfering with the pilot caller relationship. Just swaying "it works down
here" is not asking the pilot group if they like it. As pilots you are put in
a situation where you object at your peril. Implied or real it's the same
thing and that is bad for the sport.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>A
judge was removed at the Nat's for demanding that the pilot helper call
out the maneuvers. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'd
love to see how we would handle a Spanish or French speaking caller and
their pilots.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Fix
the scribe problem first and stop messing up the pilot
experience.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Don't forget that a CD is a rep of the AMA and I quote, has a high
level of responsibility of "properly applying the rules,maintaining
fairness etc." . I think that making the callers do this would be seen as
unfair. IMHO.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>There is a full blown appeal process to the AMA if you feel unfairly
treated. I could see that the traffic in this area could get pretty
busy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Eric.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV></SPAN><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>P.S. The good news I can't argue this anymore - off to #1 son's wedding
(Instead of Sayre - bummer!)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=200550415-12062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Patternrules@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:06
AM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Wrong Maneuver
issues<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><B>I think that the NAT'S is a great place to
do it because of the scribe's that we use aren't that familiar with what we're
doing and the caller is, as I remember right last year Kirk Gray had a real
bad problem with a scribe, I'm not judging the person involved, it would be
really bad for a pilot to get penalized for the action of a scribe that's not
on top of things, especially, at the NAT'S.<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face="Arial Baltic" color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><I>Steve Maxwell</B></I></FONT>
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