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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#0000ff>Sure solves the problem of
the scribe calling wrong maneuver and screwing the judge up, Happened more than
I care to admit, and scribe calling next maneuver after he writes down the score
to maneuver you just judged even though you've asked they be called earlier..
Heck some don't even know what they are looking at let alone when to call the
next maneuver..</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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Del K. Rykert<BR> AMA - 8928
<BR> NSRCA - 473<BR> Kb2joi -
General </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tony@radiosouthrc.com href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com">Tony
Stillman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:26
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Wrong Maneuver issues</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I also like the manuevers called out, especially
at local contests. It solves many more problems than it creates.
It works very well in the Southeast, as most every contest we attend, this
system is used. Very few complaints from anyone.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Eric.Henderson@gartner.com
href="mailto:Eric.Henderson@gartner.com">Henderson,Eric</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:59
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Wrong Maneuver
issues</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>The idea of callers "helping" judges sounds good but is not at
all good in practice. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>First of all, you have to be close enough to hear. Pilots do not want
or need maneuvers shouted at them or even given in full text
descriptions.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Secondly, some pilots do not actually have them called.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thirdly, many pilots get the maneuvers verbalized in pairs so that
they can set up for the next center maneuver.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Last on this list, but not least, almost all pilots have the
maneuver called before the current one is finished.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
am a big advocate of keeping the judges and the pilots apart in all ways
during the flight.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=553425019-11062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Regards,<BR><BR>Eric.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>WHIP23@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:29
AM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Wrong Maneuver
issues<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0
face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 6/11/03 8:12:14 AM
Pacific Daylight Time, Patternrules@aol.com writes:<BR><BR>
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TYPE="CITE"><BR><B>Personally I like it when the caller calls the
maneuvers loud enough for the judges to hear, then I don't need a scribe
just a blank paper, then transcribe the # after the
flight.<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><I>Steve
Maxwell</B></I> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>I agree, with the caller calling the maneuvers loud
enough for the judges to hear, but I have found that there is a lot of
resistance to this proceedure. I've always viewed presenting the
sequence such that the judges could judge it, easily and correctly as part
of the "job" and the caller can contribute to that to a large degree, by
calling the maneuvers such that there is no confusion. I will also
point out that I have nearly been lynched for this position, on occasion
:-)<BR><BR>This otta' get some action going on the list (flame suit on,
bring it)<BR><BR>Bob</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>