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<DIV><SPAN class=328160918-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Eric,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=328160918-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=328160918-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>If
geometry is still working for me:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=328160918-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>First
is a 5/8 loop (225 deg.) the 45 deg. line (rolls), then a 3/4 loop (270 deg.),
then another line (rolls) and finally a 1/8 loop (45
deg.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=328160918-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Am I
right??</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=328160918-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=328160918-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Arturo</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Henderson,Eric
[mailto:Eric.Henderson@gartner.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 18, 2003
2:08 PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Masters
Cuban 8 w/ 2/4<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=551464017-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Jim,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=551464017-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> I went through this when I
was learning to judge. You did a very smart thing when you drew out the
maneuver. I did this during several of our "Schedule design" session over the
years.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=551464017-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=551464017-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
Cuban eight is not the same as, say a vertical eight. It is two equal length
intersecting 45 degree lines, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=551464017-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>with 5/8 loops
on each end. I have seen many describe it as two loops touching but it is
geometrically impossible. The vertical eight had two loops touching. (The P-03
schedule has a 1/2 roll where the two loops touch, just to making interesting
- read, bloody hard...)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=551464017-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=551464017-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
2000 masters routine nearly had a vertical Cuban-8 in it until I figured out
how high it was going to be and how fast the down-line 45 was going to be.
Half on the drawing board and half in a flight test. On calm day it
worked. On a windy day it was a tube-bender.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=551464017-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=551464017-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You
need to space out the two 5/8 loops so that you can get 45 degree line
intersection. Have fun and good luck.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=551464017-18062003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Eric.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Woodward James R Civ
412 TW/DRP/ACQ<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:30 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Masters Cuban 8 w/
2/4<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi All,</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I've been practicing this maneuver
and I'm having trouble getting making it repeatable/consistent/, etc.
So, I took a music CD and drew two circles that have the same baseline and
touch each other at their closest points. If you do this, you will
quickly see that two adjacent circles have no place for 45 degree lines to be
drawn in between them. It appears to me from the drawing that actually
you cannot maintain a constant radius AND perform a 45 degree "LINE" within
this maneuver. If you maintained a constant radius you would never reach
a point where you could depart that curve onto a 45 degree up or downline, and
intersect the magic spot on the other loop at the same
radius.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Am I out to lunch on this, or do
you indeed need different radii: 1.) blending 45 degree line into loop
2.) looping segment. Or, the loops are not really supposed to touch each
other in the middle, thus there is some distance between each
loop?</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim W.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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