<HTML><BODY STYLE="font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>George</DIV> <DIV>The running 8 is a maneuver we do in the Senior pattern Association. It was flown in the 60's 70's in AMA pattern.</DIV> <DIV>.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jim Ivey</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> george kennie</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:41 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Masters Cuban 8 w/ 2/4</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>That's interesting Matt, <BR>I never heard of a Running Eight! It must be like the Ukie horizontal eight??? <BR>G. <P>Rcmaster199@aol.com wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>In a message dated 6/18/2003 1:31:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, James.Woodward2@edwards.af.mil writes:</FONT></FONT> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Subj:<B>Masters Cuban 8 w/ 2/4</B></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Date:6/18/2003 1:31:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>From:<A href="mailto:James.Woodward2@edwards.af.mil">James.Woodward2@edwards.af.mil</A></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Reply-to:<A href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>To:<A href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A></FONT></FONT> <BR><I><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Sent from the Internet</FONT></FONT></I> <BR> <BR> <P><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Hi All,</FONT></FONT> <BR> <BR> <P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=-1>I've been practicing this maneuver and I'm having trouble getting making it repeatable/consistent/, etc. So, I took a music CD and drew two circles that have the same baseline and touch each other at their closest points. If you do this, you will quickly see that two adjacent circles have no place for 45 degree lines to be drawn in between them. It appears to me from the drawing that actually you cannot maintain a constant radius AND perform a 45 degree "LINE" within this maneuver. If you maintained a constant radius you would never reach a point where you could depart that curve onto a 45 degree up or downline, and intersect the magic spot on the other loop at the same radius.</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR> <BR> <P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=-1>Am I out to lunch on this, or do you indeed need different radii: 1.) blending 45 degree line into loop 2.) looping segment. Or, the loops are not really supposed to touch each other in the middle, thus there is some distance between each loop?</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR> <BR> <P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=-1>Thanks,</FONT></FONT></FONT> <P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=-1>Jim W.</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=-1>Jimbo,</FONT></FONT></FONT> <P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=-1>The loops should not touch. Do the maneuver as it is described in the book: 5/8ths to a 45 deg down line, etc, etc.</FONT></FONT></FONT> <P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=-1>What you actually sketched is the figure for the Running Eight. That is not the same as a Cuban Eight</FONT></FONT></FONT> <P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=-1>regards</FONT></FONT></FONT> <P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=-1>Matt</FONT></FONT></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>