<HTML><BODY STYLE="font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Matt</DIV> <DIV> I understand the way the rolls are viewed now. And it makes sense if you call it a hesitation between 2, 1/4 rolls.</DIV> <DIV> I have flown this way the whole time but never tried to reason it like this.</DIV> <DIV> Thanks</DIV> <DIV> Jim Ivey</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> Rcmaster199@aol.com</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 20, 2003 11:43 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Friday Night Masters' Question</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 6/20/2003 10:11:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rcaerobob@cox.net writes:<BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">Subj:<B>Re: Friday Night Masters' Question </B><BR>Date:6/20/2003 10:11:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time<BR>From:<A href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR>Reply-to:<A href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR>To:<A href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><I>Sent from the Internet </I><BR><BR><BR><BR>Great info, and validates what I thought...</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> On the Cuban Eight, however, that's a hair-splitter....because the transition from point to point occupies some distance based on the speed of the roll, and the velocity of the airplane....sooooo....ya better have REALLY, REALLY good eyes to distinguish that....or am I missing something new...??</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR><BR>Bob Pastorello, Oklahoma<BR>NSRCA 199, IMAC 1320, AMA 46373<BR><A href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A href="http://www.rcaerobats.net/">www.rcaerobats.net</A><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>No I don't think you are missing it. Remember that roll rate must be the same in these situations so technically the 1/4 rolling elements should use up the same amount of sky (assuming constant model speed--on a downward diagonal, that is a good assumption).<BR><BR>The hesitation between the roll elements only needs to be present. <BR>I think the point is, establish the 45 , 1/4 roll befiore center and hold it past center, then 1/4 roll again, and re-establish the 45, then pitch.<BR><BR>I do think we have made the maneuver alot more difficult than it is. <BR><BR>matt</FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>