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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Rick Wallace
[mailto:rickwallace45@hotmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 24, 2003 6:16
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ''<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Snap rolls (long)</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Kudos to Earl for bringing this up,
especially just before </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Muncie</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>! Excellent! </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’m new at the snapping game, but
isn’t the nature of the yaw and roll CAUSED by the stalled attitude??
(Witness the behavior of a plane too low and slow on takeoff or landing –
seems like the wing drop we’ve all seen there is a function of a stalled
attitude) </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So it seems like the ‘simultantous
autorotation’ must occur – just like a plane that drops a wing
– stalls- on a slow landing – and it must occur AFTER the elevator
breaks (stalls) the plane in pitch.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Like Steve Maxwell says, my best (?) snaps
happen when the elevator is applied FIRST, followed by the other controls. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Weimer, Claude<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 23, 2003 2:41
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Snap rolls (long)</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=emailstyle17><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Are we trying to read more into judging criteria than
is there? The rulebook says simultaneous and I’m not sure the
interpretation means the stall has to come before pitch and roll. It seems to
me the stall is caused by the change in pitch regardless if yaw and roll are
applied at the same time. </span></font></span></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Patternrules@aol.com
[mailto:Patternrules@aol.com]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 23, 2003 11:53
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Snap rolls (long)</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Rule book page 78<br>
</span></font></b><b><font color=black face=Arial FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:black;background:white;font-weight:bold'>Snaps-----</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black;background:white'>A snap is a <b><i><u><span
style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>simultaneous</span></u></i></b>,
rapid autorotation in pitch, yaw and roll axes of flight in a stalled wing attitude.
The following criteria apply:<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'><br>
OK now here's where Earls explanation comes in: and he is correct, now it seems
that some wording is off in the rules the word <i><u><span style='font-style:
italic'>simultaneous</span></u></i> should not be there as in the next sentence
it clearly says that (initiated by a rapid stall of the wing induced by a
change in pitch attitude) this tells me I have been doing this wrong all the
time and need to do some work on this maneuver.<br>
<br>
An old fossil head like me it is much easier to do all the sticks at one time,
what I have always looked for is like the description on the snip, a cone and
it is pretty easy to see when someone is rolling out of the maneuver instead of
snapping all the way though. So now all that is left is to try and get these
old hands and mind to relearn something in 3 weeks, and review the judging tape
another time.</span></b><br>
<br>
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</span></font><b><i><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New" FAMILY=FIXED><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;background:white;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Thanks<br>
Steve Maxwell</span></font></i></b></p>
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