<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Bill-there is not a performance cost by not using the bar...only a cost when you do use one, about 200-300 rpm. That bar was there in the old days to keep the element from getting splashed with fuel by the crappy no mid range engines/carbs of yester year. Things in this here world done changed...Fox has not. Wayne is just being "low cost".....break in plugs get trashed anyway, why not use a cheapo. Only an idiot would go to a contest with the "break in" plugs still in his engine. </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Some things like idle bars and Boxers once had there place............hows that Boxer coming along anyway?<br>
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<br><font size=2 face="Courier New">Wayne,<br>
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I don't know what current thinking is regarding idle bars, but way back when<br>
we abandoned using them because of the possibility that if one of them came<br>
off the glow plug it would do damage to the engine. I've seen what has<br>
happened to an engine when some bearing balls got loose inside during a run.<br>
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I could be wrong, but it sounds like cheap insurance to avoid them, even if<br>
there is a cost in performance.<br>
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Bill<br>
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>From: "wgalligan" <wgalligan@cnbcom.net><br>
>To: <discussion@nsrca.org><br>
>Subject: Re: re: Mintor Here.....<br>
>Date: Tue, Jun 24, 2003, 12:26 PM<br>
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> I am breaking my Mintor 1.70 in on 2- Fox long w/idler bars. Seems to be<br>
> working just fine so far. I'll keep you posted as it breaks in some more.<br>
> BTW this is on the bench not in the air.<br>
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> Wayne G.<br>
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>> OK. Looks that figures are close. Mine runs about 8,200 rpm also for<br>
>> real setting. If I peak engine on ground it will give a little over<br>
>> 8,300 rpm. However, I have to back up to around 8,200 rpm since the<br>
>> engine will be too lean in the air.<br>
>><br>
>> I think you can save some money using K&B 1L plugs. Don't ask me why<br>
>> but I see same performance than using OS F and/or A5 combinations.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
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>> Vicente<br>
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>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> From: Jon Uhler <juhler@bellsouth.net><br>
>> Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:34 am<br>
>> Subject: re: Mintor Here.....<br>
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>> > Vicente<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I am using the 17x10N as well. I have a couple 17x12 N's that I<br>
>> > plan on trying out, needed to get a new spinner first (Thanks<br>
>> > Terry T. - just got back from vacation - check is OTW).<br>
>> ><br>
>> > So far I really love the 17x10N, but it rips every once and a<br>
>> > while so I plan on trying the 12.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > This by far is the best engine that I have ever owned. I am using<br>
>> > the standard header with a Greive's pipe. The header is un-cut.<br>
>> > I am running Coolpower 15 % and still running it pretty rich. I<br>
>> > have a OS 8 and OS F plugs in the motor. I am getting around 8200<br>
>> > RPM's.<br>
>> > Jon<br>
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