<HTML><BODY STYLE="font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Dennis</DIV> <DIV> These guys are flying nose heavy airplanes. If they would balance the planes so that they are as neutral upright as inverted, or very near as. The majority of the would go away.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jim Ivey</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> D Suding</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:54 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Cc:</B> randy10926@comcast.net</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>I noticed something in the Intermediate class while I was judging in<BR>Albuquerque. The two horizontal rolls looked bad even when performed by<BR>the best pilots. I think I know why.<BR><BR>First, you can't just throw the stick to the right or left and wait for<BR>plane to roll 720 degrees. It will lose too much altitude. You need<BR>elevator.<BR><BR>Second, you don't start feeding the elevator when the plane gets past 90<BR>degrees. This will make the plane cork-screw. I kept seeing this. The<BR>plane would roll 90 degrees, and the pilot would feed some elevator,<BR>increasing as it went to 180, then decreasing as it followed through to<BR>270 and so on.<BR><BR>Here's what you do:<BR><BR>1) Find a roll rate that takes about 1.5 seconds to roll 360 degrees.<BR><BR>2) Here's the trick: DON'T ADD ANY ELEVATOR EXCEPT AT 180 and 360<BR>DEGREES!!!!! When the plane gets to 180, give it a SHORT, SHARP down<BR>elevator to pitch the nose up to level. Then at 360 degrees, give it a<BR>SHORT, SHARP up elevator to pitch the nose up again.<BR><BR>Of course, to get picky, you actually start feeding elevator at ~175<BR>degrees, but the key is to really limit the duration of the elevator input<BR>so that your purpose is to correct for the effects of gravity only.<BR><BR>3) Practice one thousand times.<BR><BR>Hope this helps.<BR><BR>-Dennis<BR><BR><BR><BR>> Yes you start with a half roll and end with a half roll. The inverted<BR>> flight should be centered in the box and last at least 4 seconds.<BR>><BR>> Randy<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: "kyle d." <baseballstar2@cfl.rr.com><BR>> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:02 am<BR>> Subject: intermediate 402<BR>><BR>>> Can anybody go through all the manevers. I really dont get the<BR>>> striet in verted flight do u do a half roll then do another half<BR>>> roll. because u are coming out of a split S. Or can u fint the<BR>>> drawings for these maneuvers<BR>>><BR>><BR>> =====================================<BR>> # To be removed from this list, send a message to<BR>> # discussion-request@nsrca.org<BR>> # and put leave discussion on the first line of the body.<BR>> #<BR><BR><BR><BR>=====================================<BR># To be removed from this list, send a message to <BR># discussion-request@nsrca.org<BR># and put leave discussion on the first line of the body.<BR>#<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>