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<DIV><SPAN class=640055315-27062003><FONT face=verdana>Jim...Thanks for the tip
but I'm doing okay with the rolls it's just consistency that I am
working on now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P>Paul Reed</P>
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ivey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:13 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
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<DIV>Paul </DIV>
<DIV>I find that starting with learning the slow roll you have enough time to
input the elevator when it is needed. This gives you a good feel for when and
how much is required. Also if you are skittish about dropping altitude, enter
the rolls with a up attitude. When this is accomplished just step up the
rolling pace until you have mastered the rolls at the correct roll
speed. This works very well for most people.</DIV>
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<DIV>Jim Ivey</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B>
Paul Reed</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:20
PM</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: intermediate 402 rolling
suggestions</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>Jim<BR><BR>I'm an intermediate pilot who is currently
practicing the two rolls using a<BR>"blip" of elevator @ 180 and 360 deg. My
problem is consistency in timing<BR>and amount of elevator input. It is
getting better but I'm not there yet.<BR><BR><BR>Paul
Reed<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
discussion-request@nsrca.org<BR>[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of D Suding<BR>Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:13 PM<BR>To:
discussion@nsrca.org<BR>Cc: jivey61@msn.com<BR>Subject: Re: intermediate 402
rolling suggestions<BR><BR><BR>Jim-<BR><BR>You are correct. But even
the guys with balanced planes were ALL OVER the<BR>sky on those rolls. I was
watching their elevator input, and I thought<BR>that this was a universal
problem with the Intermediate guys.<BR><BR>Even with a perfectly balanced
plane, you're going to have to add<BR>elevator, down-up-down-up. But
my point is to not let that elevator input<BR>throw you off course. I like
to call it a "blip" of elevator.<BR><BR>I would love to hear from an
Intermediate pilot that goes out to the field<BR>tonight and tries it. Make
sure you are flying high enough that a mistake<BR>isn't going to crash
you.<BR><BR>-Dennis<BR><BR>> Dennis<BR>> These guys are flying
nose heavy airplanes. If they would balance the<BR>> planes so that they
are as neutral upright as inverted, or very near<BR>> as. The majority of
the would go away.<BR>><BR>> Jim Ivey<BR>><BR>> ----- Original
Message -----<BR>> From: D Suding<BR>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003
1:54 PM<BR>> To: discussion@nsrca.org<BR>> Cc:
randy10926@comcast.net<BR>> Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling
suggestions<BR>><BR>> I noticed something in the Intermediate class
while I was judging in<BR>> Albuquerque. The two horizontal rolls looked
bad even when performed by<BR>> the best pilots. I think I know
why.<BR>><BR>> First, you can't just throw the stick to the right or
left and wait for<BR>> plane to roll 720 degrees. It will lose too much
altitude. You need<BR>> elevator.<BR>><BR>> Second, you don't
start feeding the elevator when the plane gets past 90<BR>> degrees. This
will make the plane cork-screw. I kept seeing this. The<BR>>
plane would roll 90 degrees, and the pilot would feed some elevator,<BR>>
increasing as it went to 180, then decreasing as it followed through
to<BR>> 270 and so on.<BR>><BR>> Here's what you
do:<BR>><BR>> 1) Find a roll rate that takes about 1.5 seconds to roll
360 degrees.<BR>><BR>> 2) Here's the trick: DON'T ADD ANY ELEVATOR
EXCEPT AT 180 and 360<BR>> DEGREES!!!!! When the plane gets to 180, give
it a SHORT, SHARP down<BR>> elevator to pitch the nose up to level. Then
at 360 degrees, give it a<BR>> SHORT, SHARP up elevator to pitch the nose
up again.<BR>><BR>> Of course, to get picky, you actually start
feeding elevator at ~175<BR>> degrees, but the key is to really limit the
duration of the elevator<BR>> input so that your purpose is to correct
for the effects of gravity<BR>> only.<BR>><BR>> 3) Practice one
thousand times.<BR>><BR>> Hope this helps.<BR>><BR>>
-Dennis<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>> Yes you start with a half roll
and end with a half roll. The inverted<BR>>> flight should be
centered in the box and last at least 4 seconds.<BR>>><BR>>>
Randy<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>> From: "kyle d."
<baseballstar2@cfl.rr.com><BR>>> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003
11:02 am<BR>>> Subject: intermediate 402<BR>>><BR>>>>
Can anybody go through all the manevers. I really dont get
the<BR>>>> striet in verted flight do u do a half roll then do
another half<BR>>>> roll. because u are coming out of a split S. Or
can u fint the<BR>>>> drawings for these
maneuvers<BR>>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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