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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#0000ff>Would be directly in
relation to wing loading if the airfoils are practically similar. The higher the
load the less the AOA to get wing to stall. Judges can't determine what the wing
load is but they can look for the empenage to rotate in cone fashion behind the
CG after the wing has stalled. I have scored zeroes when in chair for what I
perceived were not stalled maneuvers. This is to some top dogs and used to be
hard to do but I have found if I keep my standards high and consistent it became
easier with time when manning the chair. Contest flights only last 8 to 10
minutes. Manning the chair can last 4 hours at NATS. For me judging is
always harder task.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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Del K. Rykert<BR> AMA - 8928
<BR> NSRCA - 473<BR> Kb2joi -
General </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 27, 2003 12:53
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree with you. That's why I think a video will
help all of us to understand the discussed issues better. I hope that there
will be more than one video clip.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The main thing I would like to here comments
about is the amount of attitude change needed during the snap. Obviously the
airplane must be stalled but no one is flying with AOA sensor on board so the
pilot and the judges have to estimate the stall visually. I am interested
to see what they expect and how they estimate it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 27, 2003 4:13
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#0000ff>Good idea Mike but I
have found video can sometimes be misleading as different aircraft present
so differently in some ways regarding the snap. This thread has helped show
just how challenging it is to judge and fly correctly.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"
color=#0000ff> Del K.
Rykert<BR> AMA - 8928 <BR>
NSRCA - 473<BR> Kb2joi - General
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:33
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Very interesting discussion on a very
important issue. As Earl mentioned sometimes a good snap is misjudged
because we are used to see the bad one. I think so too. Most of the judges
expect too much attitude change and score zero for snaps with small
attitude change because they consider it as an axial roll.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Maybe someone could post a short video that
demonstrate how a real 1 1/2 snap should look like.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike Turgeman</FONT></DIV>
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