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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:City><st1:place><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bryan</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have a hand-held GPS.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I’d be willing if you’d like
to put it in your plane for a ride while you’re here this weekend.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Steve Byrum<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Bryan Kennedy<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, June 29, 2003 7:34
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Flight Data Recorder</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Great feedback. I have
seen this item and have been planning on calling them. I think they need to
interface it with G2 flight sim to give you a complete playback. I assume all
you see is the stick movements form the info I have seen on the web.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Looks like this could be
a real learning tool if we could integrate it into some package (like G2)
that would show us not only a front view (ie. Box) but a top view (ie.
150m) maybe the next step is to add GPS.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>It sure would be nice to
download each round and analyze the info..</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Bryan</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>NSRCA 1744</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>AMA 1744</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>EHaury@aol.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:26
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Flight Data Recorder</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>An ad in the latest MA by Eagle Tree
Systems for a Flight Data Recorder attracted my attention. Being able to record
airspeed / altitude / servo commands, etc., for review after a flight would
seem to be a useful tool for pattern and this device is advertised to do just
that for a reasonable price ($150). Details are at: www.eagletreesystems.com<br>
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The first good sign is service, ordered Tues. morning and received Fri. Second
good sign is that the software loaded on my PC without a hitch. The recorder
calibrated as described and was in a Hydeout and in the air in no time (still
Friday). Lastly, data from the flight transferred to my PC for evaluation. (A
supplied USB cord between the recorder and PC.)<br>
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It's tricky to interpret the data from the supplied graphics in that you need
to figure out just where in the pattern the data were generated. I flew a take
off sequence with a level 180 to enter the pattern, so altitude data were
consistent for a while and the first pull-up was obvious. With the playback on
slo-mo, altitude changes and elevator inputs allow one to follow a pattern
pretty well.<br>
<br>
The data can be transferred to Excel and manipulated to provide graphics of the
data of interest. It took about 45 min. to build charts of airspeed, elev, and
altitude for the Square on Corner (I'm a bit Excel rusty). The data clearly
show the entry altitude, the altitude gained (or lost) between elevator inputs,
max altitude, finish altitude, and the airspeed through the maneuver. Pretty
nifty!<br>
<br>
The device comes set to capture data at the rate of 4/sec which will give 22
min. of record. I found that 8/sec is probably better for our use (10/sec max
available) and that will give about 13 min of record. When the buffer is full
it stops collecting until reset. I've made no effort to verify speed and
altitude measurements except that with the recommended altitude calibration it
knows the runway is 0 altitude. (Relative numbers are of good value anyway.)<br>
<br>
Overall this device looks to be a useful tool to help one improve practice
sessions. There is no realtime downlink or closed loop control, so nothing
outside the rules. (Hmmm - judge thinks entry and exit altitudes differ, wonder
if he / she would like to see the real numbers?) <br>
<br>
Earl<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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