<HTML><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff" STYLE="font:10pt verdana; border:none;background-color:#ffffff; "><DIV> Guys,</DIV> <DIV>I tried up elevator first, then rudder and a little aileron at low throttle.</DIV> <DIV>Whoever said it's a dead duck is correct. Then I tried a little throttle up during the snap. I can now see a definite break or stall and the plane maintains heading during exit much better.</DIV> <DIV>Now ,if I can just practice in the rain I could learn to do it this way.<BR>It's raining again in JawJa.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jim Ivey</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> John Ferrell</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 01, 2003 5:14 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Snaps</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1170" name=GENERATOR> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Finally, someone I can agree with! </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>All acceptable snaps do not look alike.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you are going to the trouble of doing a video, it would make more sense to me to show what is NOT acceptable. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>John Ferrell <BR>6241 Phillippi Rd<BR>Julian NC 27283<BR>Phone: (336)685-9606 <BR><A href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">johnferrell@earthlink.net</A><BR>Dixie Competition Products<BR>NSRCA 479 AMA 4190 W8CCW<BR>"My Competition is Not My Enemy"<BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=drykert@rochester.rr.com href="mailto:drykert@rochester.rr.com">Del Rykert</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 01, 2003 4:14 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Snaps</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#0000ff>IMHO, when said video is finished it has to show an accurate fair showing of the different visual images that are acceptable and possibly what's not so as to not slight those whose planes do a proper maneuver but visually appears different. E.G. Bipe vs. Low wing vs. 60 sized model.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#0000ff></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#0000ff> Del K. Rykert<BR> AMA - 8928 <BR> NSRCA - 473<BR> Kb2joi - General </FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#0000ff></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=billglaze@triad.rr.com href="mailto:billglaze@triad.rr.com">Bill Glaze</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 01, 2003 7:31 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Snaps</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Thanks, Tony, I had wondered about what had happened. A video like this could be very beneficial, but could also be hard to produce. Another organization of which I was a board member, had a commercial company video a judges seminar, and a field session of flying. The tape cost the organization $500, and was nearly worthless. Lesson learned. <BR>I hope a tape of parallel quality to the existing NSRCA tape on judging, can be produced. <P>Bill Glaze <P>Tony Stillman wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE"> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Bill:</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Some funding had been approved and budgeted for, but the actual video turned out much harder to make than was originally expected. This issue will be discussed in the Annual NSRCA Board Meeting at the Nats next week.</FONT></FONT> Tony Stillman <BR>Radio South <BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd. <BR>Pensacola, FL 32505 <BR>1-800-962-7802 <BR><A href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com/">www.radiosouthrc.com</A> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=billglaze@triad.rr.com href="mailto:billglaze@triad.rr.com">Bill Glaze</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 27, 2003 2:22 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Snaps</DIV> It seems to me that the NSRCA was working on a spin/snaproll video last year. It mad a splash on this group, and then faded into oblivion. Anybody remember it? Or know what happened to it? <P>Bill Glaze <P>Mike Turgeman wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE"> <STYLE></STYLE> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>I agree with you. That's why I think a video will help all of us to understand the discussed issues better. I hope that there will be more than one video clip.The main thing I would like to here comments about is the amount of attitude change needed during the snap. Obviously the airplane must be stalled but no one is flying with AOA sensor on board so the pilot and the judges have to estimate the stall visually. I am interested to see what they expect and how they estimate it.Mike</FONT></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=drykert@rochester.rr.com href="mailto:drykert@rochester.rr.com">Del Rykert</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 27, 2003 4:13 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Re:Snaps</DIV> <B><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"><FONT color=#0000ff>Good idea Mike but I have found video can sometimes be misleading as different aircraft present so differently in some ways regarding the snap. This thread has helped show just how challenging it is to judge and fly correctly.</FONT></FONT></B> <B><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"><FONT color=#0000ff> Del K. Rykert</FONT></FONT></B> <BR><B><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"><FONT color=#0000ff> AMA - 8928</FONT></FONT></B> <BR><B><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"><FONT color=#0000ff> NSRCA - 473</FONT></FONT></B> <BR><B><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"><FONT color=#0000ff> Kb2joi - General</FONT></FONT></B> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mike@bartan.com href="mailto:mike@bartan.com">Mike Turgeman</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:33 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:Snaps</DIV> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Hi all,Very interesting discussion on a very important issue. As Earl mentioned sometimes a good snap is misjudged because we are used to see the bad one. I think so too. Most of the judges expect too much attitude change and score zero for snaps with small attitude change because they consider it as an axial roll.Maybe someone could post a short video that demonstrate how a real 1 1/2 snap should look like.Mike Turgeman</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>