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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">The thing that may be messin' wid yo head is thinking that the plane itself needs to be at a 45 degree angle (cuban 8). Into the wind it should look less than 45 and with the wind more than 45. The "abruptness" is because you have yet learned to anticipate the need to change heading and then are doing it a little late requireing the abrupt change to maintain center-geometry etc. Just do not expect me to demonstrate this........If I ever do it is luck.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">The stall turn when done correctly rotates on the CG so the nose into the wind on the way up translates into the nose into the wind on the way down when the rotation occurs properly. If you do a mini (or maxi) wing over, then it gets ugly.Without wind practice getting that stall turn to rotate on the CG and that will help alot when the wind is blowing. Also remember that more nose into the wind is required as the plane slows down. When you do the rotation at the theoretical stall, the wind will blow you back.....which is not supposed to happen but does. <br>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><b>"Keith Black" <tkeithb@comcast.net></b></font>
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<br><font size=2 face="Arial">Actually it's giving me a challenge! </font>
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<br><font size=2 face="Arial">Honestly I was happy to have the windy conditions yesterday as I was able to experiment with different techniques to try and get the maneuvers correct. During my practice/experimenting numerous light bulbs went off in my head and I improved slightly, unfortunately there are still a lot of dark rooms ;-)</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="Arial">On the Cuban eight I'm still trying to figure out how to drive into the wind and keep the loop round without making the plane's transition between heading into the wind and turning down wind look too abrupt. I'll have to get you to watch me after Nats. </font>
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Keith....is the wind giving you grief??????<br>
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<p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">07/09/2003 11:33 PM</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><br>
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OK, I've got another question about head winds.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
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When performing a stall turn I know it's necessary to keep the nose of the plane into the wind on the upline so the wind does not push the plane backwards, but what's the best way to execute the actual stall turn itself? When I tried to do the stall pivot with the nose still pointing into the wind it looked terrible and was VERY difficult to get it to pivot straight to the side. Obviously with the nose into the wind the rudder will not make the plane fall perfectly to the side but will also cause it to rotate. Because of this I tried backing off the of the wind correction and pulling the nose straight up right before performing the stall rotation, but when I did this the plane would drift backwards.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
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I'd like to hear how others handle this situation to score high on stall turns in a heavy head wind.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
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BTW, I had a good time flying in the wind today :-)</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
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